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      Post #70316, posted on 07-04-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Are there any plans in the works for a new decal for the new AF #1 ?

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      Post #70321, posted on 07-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I haven't even seen a 1:144 decal for the current VC-25As, so I don't know if one will be coming for the 747-8-based aircraft either. Decals for Presidential aircraft haven't been attempted often, for some reason. I don't know if it's because the colors are so difficult to match, if the "United States of America" lettering is so difficult to get correct, or if all the details and colors in the Presidential Seal are so difficult to print correctly. (I kind of hoped we would see decals for the VC-25s, but I ended up losing interest some time ago and the VC-137s are where it now ends for me.)

      As for the aircraft that will replace the VC-25As, it would be a good idea to wait until the real aircraft are converted and painted, and any changes to the paint scheme can be accounted for. If you absolutely can't wait, the decals in the most recent reissue of the Revell E-4B give you excellent "United States of America" lettering to work with. You will, however, be on your own for the BAC 5070/5071 blue stripes and accents, the tail numbers, the Presidential seal and other markings unique to the Presidential aircraft.

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      Post #70322, posted on 07-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I have it all drawn. Honestly, it's probably going to be at least another 5-10 years before we see the real thing painted.

      FWIW, the Presidential Seal alone has 10 colors in it. And decals are priced on number of colors primarily.



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      Post #70324, posted on 07-07-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      @Jennings, you can probably yank the nose receptacle for the in-flight refueling, IIRC they said those are no longer required.

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      Post #70325, posted on 07-08-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks guys. Jennings great work as usual. I wonder if Revell Germany takes a chance with it as a marking for their kit. Sure would sell some kits. But like you said, 5-10 years down the road at least.

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      Post #70328, posted on 07-08-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      If they were smart they would. But that's never been their strong suit.

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      Post #70340, posted on 07-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Oh jeez-us...

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/trump-air-force-one-paint-design/index.html

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      Post #70342, posted on 07-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I'll add "trashing current Airforce One scheme" to my long list of reasons the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue should be a one termer.

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      Post #70343, posted on 07-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      ...or less.

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      Post #70369, posted on 07-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/air-force-one-trump-paint/index.html

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      Post #70374, posted on 07-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I wonder where the brand will be placed.

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      Post #70385, posted on 07-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I believe you are referring to the Seal of the President. That depends on how much the White House Occupant (WHO) also mucks this up.

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      Post #70386, posted on 07-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I believe Alan was talking about another brand. If so, I certainly have a suggestion where it could go...

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      Post #70388, posted on 07-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Before we all lose our minds over this (and before this thread gets more politicized), it's worth noting that even Mr. Trump has said they may not be ready for service during his presidency. It is entirely possible as well that the idea of revising the Air Force One livery may not last any longer than his administration.

      It's also worth noting that there are instances of presidents initiating changes to the VIP fleet's paint schemes before, although not on the primary presidential aircraft. During the Carter administration there were some changes to the 89th's status and, among other things, the blue trim on some of the fleet (notably the VC-137Bs) was removed. These changes were reversed during the Reagan administration and the VC-137Bs got back their blue trim.

      It is entirely possible that by the time the new presidential aircraft are delivered, they may well wear the now-traditional Ray Loewy colors we know so well, or if they do wear the "revised" colors a new president may order the aircraft repainted in the former scheme, and we will speak of this new paint scheme in much the same way as those "Prussian Guard" uniforms that Richard Nixon ordered for the uniformed officers of the Secret Service.

      Not trying to be political; just trying to inject some perspective, historical and otherwise, into this discussion. There's enough politics in my Facebook feed to make my head throb already.

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      Post #70390, posted on 07-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Im not too worried about this. The aircraft wont be headed to the paint hangar until at least 2022 at the very soonest.

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      Post #70409, posted on 07-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Jennings, I really recommend that you keep your AF1 decals undercover until you're ready to release them. The design is copyrighted and the government has, believe it or not, gone to court in the past to protect it. Someone had some 707 AF1 decals ready to go a few years ago, I forget who, and actually got a C&D from the gub'ment. Since the design came out of a design competition and the gub'ment paid Raymond Loewy for the design, and has maintained it since the early '60s, they do defend it.

      Sorry I can't recall the 707 decal situation more precisely, but my memory indicates that it did happen. I believe a Marine 1 decal maker was also "told" awhile back, too, but the 'ol memory isn't quite as clear on that example. The fact that these are presidential schemes may be the reason.

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      Post #70415, posted on 07-23-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      They can kiss my grits. Id love to see the DOJ come after an individual.

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      Post #70453, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I haven't even seen a 1:144 decal for the current VC-25As, ...



      Does the decal in the Dragon Kit count?


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      Post #70454, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      They can kiss my grits. Id love to see the DOJ come after an individual.



      That's the spirit. How about doing something Qantas or ADF and as the late great Robin Williams used to say "Let's see what happens!"?

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      Post #70462, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      In addition to the Dragon kit, Hasegawa also released a VC-25A kit in 1:200, and the funny-looking 1:288 747 was released by Academy/Minicraft (back when they were working together) in the early '90s as an ersatz VC-25A (without the correct engines).

      That said, I was thinking more about aftermarket decals for the VC-25A. Although the Revell E-4B kit gets you about 80% of the way there: it comes with GE engines, the refueling hump for the nose, and the decal sheet gives you the correct "United States of America" titling, which to my eye is what almost everybody else doesn't get correct. If you can paint the blue sections on the upper and lower fuselage, lay down the gold striping and scare up a few more decals in the correct colors (or get some of them printed for you), you're there.

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      Post #70466, posted on 07-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Does the decal in the Dragon Kit count?



      Nope. Use that to line your bird cage or cat litter box. I'm not aware of any USAF presidential aircraft that uses Arial for the "USAF" titles.

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      Post #70479, posted on 07-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Use that to line your bird cage or cat litter box.



      Better to just throw it away then as both the bird cage and cat litter box are way too big for just one decal. The Bird is a particularly destructive Sulphur Crested Cockatoo and the Cat is a huge Bengal.