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#43333 06-13-2012 GMT-5 hours 
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Before the internet, I used to think that Panagra's DC-8 colors were Yellow and Black! Some of the old print adds that are for sale now really show the Green as a much lighter shade on the DC-7. Thanks to 'Braniff2's research, I'm really learning about what film can do to certain colors, like the "Jellybean"s Ochre! A strange color for sure but fascinating to study......John
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#43336 06-13-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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Honestly and truly, I think the high altitude/UV light thing is a chestnut. People have tried to use it to explain massive color shifting of olive drab on B-17s. I just don't buy it. If you consider the amount of time an airplane spends at high altitude vs. its total existence, I just don't believe that's the reason. Maybe it is, and maybe I'm all wet, but I find it hard to swallow, especially if you're talking about the UV difference between 20,000' and 30,000'.
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#43339 06-14-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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Hi Jennings, You could be right, but the high altitude UV explanation has been used by many people more knowledgeable about paint formulas than we are. At the altitudes that the jets operate at, they are spending more time above the tropopause than below it, and certainly the props almost never got above the tropopause since it is usually found above 30,000 feet, but can be as low as the mid to upper 20,000's where piston engined airliners were rarely ever found. The significance of that is the relationship between the protective effect of the ozone layer if you are below the tropopause and the lack of protection above it, very significant for humans, but also to anything affected by the suns rays, such as paints according to the paint people. Braniff maintenance people told me that the original lavender color applied to the Boeing 720 advertising "The End Of The Plain Plane" was quickly dropped due to extremely quick washout which was blamed, correctly or not, on UV at high altitudes. I always know where the tropopause is because it is indicated for every waypoint on my flight plan/dispatch release. Based on the known dangers of life above the tropopause, I think they are more than likely correct in part (if not completely correct) in their explanations of color fading on jets 50 years ago. Paint technology is far more advanced today than it was in the 1960's, so the issue is not heard of as much anymore. Regards, Jeff Jarvis |
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#43354 06-15-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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A bit off topic, but did you notice how many of the paints shown on Walter's Braniff Colors chart are no longer available? The Boyd colors from Testors are gone and the cost of NASCAR licensing fees killed the Testor's "Racing Colors" line almost before it started. What is needed is a re-do, to include paints imported from Japan, England and Italy, but we'd be matching colors to earlier color matches, rather than to a primary source. We know we can't just use color photos, even if available, and memories can be wrong. Gerry |
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#44350 09-16-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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I sometimes wonder if aftermarket decal manufacturers remember that the starboard side titles on Braniff International aircraft (in the the original Alexander Girard "Solid pastel" or "Jellybean" livery) sloped in the same reverse italic direction as the tail fin logo (yes, even on the original Boeing 727-227s)......  Terry (Caravellarella) Because L’ORÉAL keeps telling me I’m worth it.......... |
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#44351 09-16-2012 GMT-5 hours |
Quote This aftermarket airliner decal manufacturer remembers that, and has done them that way on every Braniff jelly bean sheet he's put out 
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#44352 09-16-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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Does that apply to all aftermarket decal manufacturers I wonder?
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#44363 09-17-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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I can only speak for myself. No control over what anyone else did or does... AFAIK I'm also the only one who ever included the non-angled Braniff font style numbers for the three digit fleet numbers sometimes seen under the cockpit area. See Liveries Unlimited AGA4-155 Braniff Jellybean 707s...
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#44365 09-17-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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Excellent; good to read that you are maintaining suitably high standards Jennings......
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#45203 11-05-2012 GMT-5 hours |
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On a slightly related subject, dear Boys and Girls; can any of you confirm (preferably with documentary and pictorial proof), that one of Braniff International Airways Inc's Boeing 727-227ADVCs (perhaps N415BN) was painted in a turquoise/eau-de-nil version of their two-tone 1971 livery? Or was this just sight of a badly faded two-tone green aircraft? Terry (Caravellarella) Because L’ORÉAL keeps telling me I’m worth it.......... |
