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Forums | 1.0 Airliner Modeling | Airliner Modeling Chat | Airfix B747 Engines

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mallardpi Members Add As Buddy Posts: 16 Location: Doha Occupation: Pilot Age:	#44083 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	I have just opened the Airfix B747 getting ready to build as Ray at Twosix has issued Qantas scheme. I notice, however, a gorge around the engine cowling about 3mm across. Anybody know what this is all about? A manufacturing error perhaps. Also, are there any replacement engines on the market. I have found some in 1/200 but not 1/144. I suppose I could fill in the gorge - is that the answer? Any suggestions welcome. In Progress: RAF VC-10 K2 - from the box Minicraft B707 - Tradewinds (Gatwick 1970's) Tiger Airways A320

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Jennings Contributors Add As Buddy Posts: 1934 Location: Southun' Vuhginya USA Occupation: Hospice Nurse Age: 111	#44085 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	No, it's not a 'manufacturing error' - it's part of the tooling. The Airfix kit only vaguely resembles an actual 747. The kit was tooled before there was such a thing as an actual 747 (yes, it's that old). The kit most closely resembles an early artists conception of what the 747 was supposed to look like. If you're doing an early 747-100 with PW engines, the engines (bad as they are) from the much superior Revell kit are about your only choice. But in that case you might as well toss the Airfix kit in the bin and just build the Revell kit.

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gjake Contributors Add As Buddy Posts: 131 Location: Mobile, AL Occupation: HydroMet Techincian Age:	#44088 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	IIRC that was supposed to represent the open thrust reverse rings. Gene MOB

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aro757 Administrators Add As Buddy Posts: 1386 Location: San Ramon, CA Occupation: Webmaster Age:	#44089 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote gjake : IIRC that was supposed to represent the open thrust reverse rings. Gene MOB That is correct. When the Airfix team took pictures and did their measurements, the engine was on a stand, and the only way to get it to fit on the stand was to have the reversers in the deployed position. Thus, they cast the engines as such, never even thinking how it might look with the reverser doors in the closed position. Regards, ahmed \| --o--o-( )-o--o--

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Jennings Contributors Add As Buddy Posts: 1934 Location: Southun' Vuhginya USA Occupation: Hospice Nurse Age: 111	#44091 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	The Airfix team took pictures and measurements? And still they came up with that monstrosity? I find that hard to believe.

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Ken Miller Members Add As Buddy Posts: 423 Location: Campbell, CA Occupation: Govt. Employee Age: 120	#44094 08-20-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Re: The Airfix 747..... Once you've filled in the thrust reverser "slots" on the engines you are then ready to thin the 2x? too thick vertical fin and add the fuselage wing root fairings as well The Revell 747-100 kit is a much better choice but the Airfix kit is still quite a bit better than the Doyusha monstrosity. In both the Airfix and Doyusha kit's defense if you build one nobody will mistake them for anything other than a 747. Ken

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Jeff Jarvis Members Add As Buddy Posts: 100 Location: Louisville, KY Occupation: Pilot Age: 60	#44096 08-21-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote Jennings : The Airfix team took pictures and measurements? And still they came up with that monstrosity? I find that hard to believe. Yeah, it was hard for me to swallow at first too, but it would explain why the wing to body fairing is missing if they photographed the first one while it was under construction since the engines are installed on the assembly line with the reversers deployed and the wing to body fairing is one of the last things to be installed after all of the plumbing and ducting is installed in the wing and the center section fuel tank. If they had waited a few more weeks or months they might have turned out a much better kit. The Airfix and Aurora kits complemented each other. Both were horror shows. However............. Since you have the kit and are going to build it, if you manage to turn out a nice model from it, we will all admire your patience as well as your skills! Regards, Jeff Jarvis

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BigGiraffe Upper Deck Member Add As Buddy Posts: 98 Location: Occupation: Aircraft Engineer Age: 55	#44102 08-21-2012 GMT-5 hours
	I agree with Ken -- This Airfix kit is clearly a 747 and nobody will ever mistake it for anything else. Enjoy building it! Take care, Kurt

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carioca Members Add As Buddy Posts: 532 Location: Rio de Janeiro Occupation: Airline Pilot Age: 36	#44104 08-21-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Yes, you can make a great model out of it. This one below was built by Humberto Akira, in my opinion, "the" best airliner modeler in Brazil currently. Check that out - and believe me: it's an Airfix! Regards Eduardo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forget about all you've learned on thrust, drag, lift, weight... if you want a plane to fly you need MONEY.

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mallardpi Members Add As Buddy Posts: 16 Location: Doha Occupation: Pilot Age:	#44109 08-22-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Guys, thanks for all your comments. Getting a Revell kit seems difficult; I have not seen one for a long time now, anywhere. So, I'll have a go at the Airfix kit. I am not one who is gravely concerned about wing chord measurements etc. To me, if the model looks 'like' what its supposed to be, then I'm happy. Admittedly, there are better representations of airliners through other model manufacturers, nevertheless, I will continue to make as wide selection as is available, but at this juncture Ray's decals are on their way and I will make the Airfix kit. If it turns out to be half as good as the Dragonair pictured above, I'll be happy. Back to the bench now then......... James In Progress: RAF VC-10 K2 - from the box Minicraft B707 - Tradewinds (Gatwick 1970's) Tiger Airways A320

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Ken Miller Members Add As Buddy Posts: 423 Location: Campbell, CA Occupation: Govt. Employee Age: 120	#44111 08-22-2012 GMT-5 hours
	The DragonAir 747 is amazing.....Looks like he not only added the wing/fuselage fairings but also extended the upper deck. Sure doesn't look the like the "stock Airfix" deck. Ken

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carioca Members Add As Buddy Posts: 532 Location: Rio de Janeiro Occupation: Airline Pilot Age: 36	#44112 08-22-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Yes, Ken! He did a little lengthening on the upper deck as well! He also had this KLM Cargo 744 which he opened up the nose cargo door, I'll look up for such pics. Seeing Akira's birds on model shows is a treat, however, no medals are left for us mortals! Jokes apart, he's a great guy! Regards Eduardo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forget about all you've learned on thrust, drag, lift, weight... if you want a plane to fly you need MONEY.

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47 driver Members Add As Buddy Posts: 1363 Location: florida Occupation: master and commander Age: 93	#44117 08-23-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote mallardpi : I have just opened the Airfix B747 getting ready to build as Ray at Twosix has issued Qantas scheme. I notice, however, a gorge around the engine cowling about 3mm across. Anybody know what this is all about? A manufacturing error perhaps. Also, are there any replacement engines on the market. I have found some in 1/200 but not 1/144. I suppose I could fill in the gorge - is that the answer? Any suggestions welcome. You might want to try Welsh models and see if they'll sell you a set of engines for your 747. If it has wings I can crash it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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mallardpi Members Add As Buddy Posts: 16 Location: Doha Occupation: Pilot Age:	#44118 08-23-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Great idea. Thank you 47 Driver. In Progress: RAF VC-10 K2 - from the box Minicraft B707 - Tradewinds (Gatwick 1970's) Tiger Airways A320

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mallardpi Members Add As Buddy Posts: 16 Location: Doha Occupation: Pilot Age:	#44163 08-28-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote You might want to try Welsh models and see if they'll sell you a set of engines for your 747. I certainly did. Welsh Models are sending me some sets of resin engines and accompanying undercarriage in the post now. Fantastic ending. Thanks 47 Driver. In Progress: RAF VC-10 K2 - from the box Minicraft B707 - Tradewinds (Gatwick 1970's) Tiger Airways A320

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Graeme Contributors Add As Buddy Posts: 219 Location: Townsville TSV YBTL Occupation: Condition Monitoring Technician Age: 67	#44165 08-28-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote mallardpi : Guys, thanks for all your comments. Getting a Revell kit seems difficult; I have not seen one for a long time now, anywhere. James It is being re released as the Nasa Shuttle carrier along with the Shuttle any day now, was last released as the open interior vesion about 3-4 years ago, not vey hard to find at all. Graeme

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TheFlyingDutchman Members Add As Buddy Posts: 223 Location: Haarlem Occupation: Student Aviation Engineering Age: 22	#44170 08-29-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote Graeme : Quote mallardpi : Guys, thanks for all your comments. Getting a Revell kit seems difficult; I have not seen one for a long time now, anywhere. James It is being re released as the Nasa Shuttle carrier along with the Shuttle any day now, was last released as the open interior vesion about 3-4 years ago, not vey hard to find at all. I was also re-released just a few months ago as the E-4B

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Cabforward Upper Deck Member Add As Buddy Posts: 318 Location: Sherwood, Oregon Occupation: Major Home Appliance Sales Age: 63	#44172 08-29-2012 GMT-5 hours
	And don't forget the new PAS Models 1/144 resin P&W JT-9 (B747) engine set that just came out. You can see them on this website by doing a search under PAS Models. You can email Mr. Pimenov at: pas-decals@mail.ru for pricing infornmation. Rodger Cook Alumni of: Hughes Airwest, Republic Airlines, Evergreen International

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47 driver Members Add As Buddy Posts: 1363 Location: florida Occupation: master and commander Age: 93	#44173 08-29-2012 GMT-5 hours
	Quote mallardpi : Quote You might want to try Welsh models and see if they'll sell you a set of engines for your 747. I certainly did. Welsh Models are sending me some sets of resin engines and accompanying undercarriage in the post now. Fantastic ending. Thanks 47 Driver. Your welcome and don't forget to post some pics . If it has wings I can crash it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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