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      Post #69191, posted on 01-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Express-1-144-Airliner-B-717-Bangkok-Air-EE1441124-6/263461154865?epid=2284845591&hash=item3d57823031:g:KMYAAOSwXsFaa55n

      Several schemes !

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      Post #69193, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Very nice, I'm sure, but how can the seller possibly justify the price of a 1/144 B717 being greater than that of a TriStar in the same scale?

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      Post #69195, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Good point about cost, but that seems to be the way things are now. Look at the numerous reboxes Hasegawa pump out, some being mid £50 for a kit that originally sold ten to twenty years ago for £15. Inflation? Doubt it, repaying the moulds? A small part maybe, expensive new decal sheet? They're nothing that special so how do they justify the hike in price?

      I've bought one 717 QANTAS and would like a few more, but will wait to see if the price elsewhere is better. I'm just too eager to get each new release!!

      For decal producers, Volotea would be a nice scheme.

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      Post #69196, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I'd like to see decals for the final Airtran livery. My PAS 717 is almost done and I'm going to try to adapt a scalemates set for it...

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      Post #69197, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Only flew B717 once, with AeBal, Aerolíneas de Baleares. A decal would be nice
      Is it the same fuselage EE used for the DC9-30 kit?

      Linjeflyg(SE) CV440 Metropolitan and AeBal B717 would be very nice!

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      Post #69198, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      No TWA ??? Apparently, this is like a bad James Bond movie - 'From Russia No Love' !

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      Post #69199, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I would imagine if you don't need one right now (heh...isn't it funny, using the word "need" in a hobby context?), other sellers will get this kit and may provide a price break, or will cut you a break on shipping multiples of the same kit. Patience will pay off. (As for the broader issue, I'm not happy either that an AMT model car kit that once cost me $10 now costs me $28 in reissued form, but it's the cost of doing business these days in an increasingly specialized hobby.)

      To answer another question, here are sprue shots:

      http://www.pas-decals.ru/forum/novosti/1078-novinki-vostochnyj-ekspress?start=297#34487

      Not the same fuselage as the DC-9-30 kit.

      If you want a TWA aircraft, Liveries Unlimited did a final-scheme DC-9/MD-80 decal. It may be hard to find but it will be worlds better than any decal the kit would give you. Given that livery's popularity I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the other decal makers take it on.

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      Post #69201, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I would imagine if you don't need one right now (heh...isn't it funny, using the word "need" in a hobby context?), other sellers will get this kit and may provide a price break, or will cut you a break on shipping multiples of the same kit.
      Jodie Peeler



      Exactly. The EE DC-9 is currently trending at around $48, including shipping, on eBay but is only $23 direct from PAS. Shipping from PAS is expensive for individual items but it is a fixed price for a consignment of up to 2kg, which can be a lot of models, so placing a bulk order will reduce the unit price significantly. This will apply to the 717 in due course so, if you're not in a hurry, you can get it for a lot less than the prices currently being asked.

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      Post #69202, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      If you want a TWA aircraft, Liveries Unlimited did a final-scheme DC-9/MD-80 decal. It may be hard to find but it will be worlds better than any decal the kit would give you. Given that livery's popularity I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the other decal makers take it on.

      Jodie Peeler



      I've actually got this set for my PAS 717 kit. The problem going this route is that the Red Stripe that runs the length of the fuselage and turns to go up the vertical stabilizer stops at the original top of the MD-80 tail is isn't long enough to go all the way up to the top of the extension. I'm still trying to figure out what to do there... Matching paint to the color of the ink on the decal will be quite hard...

      As far as the kit... I can't wait to see the actual plastic. The DC-9 family is among my favorite to model! It is quite expensive, however. Having said that, there are some Tamiya 1/32 aircraft kits that sell for $150 or more... I guess it is the way of things.

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      Post #69203, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      As far as the kit... I can't wait to see the actual plastic. The DC-9 family is among my favorite to model! It is quite expensive, however. Having said that, there are some Tamiya 1/32 aircraft kits that sell for $150 or more... I guess it is the way of things.



      Sticker shock is an unfortunate truth these days, especially in a realm so specialized as ours. It's hard to swallow that the days of new $10 or $15 kits that only seem like yesterday are now gone, but it's the way of the world now, and sometimes there are workarounds, as with the "combine shipping" thing.

      On a happier note, I'm looking forward to this kit as well. Long ago I tried to convert an Airfix DC-9 with a set of In Formation engines and some scratchbuilding (result: one unfinished fuselage half will be a permanent memorial to my half-baked idea), then bought a secondhand PAS resin kit that I haven't really touched. Having this in plastic will be awfully nice. I've only had two flights on the real thing but it's one of my favorites to fly on.

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      Post #69204, posted on 01-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Jodie,

      I know what you mean. My first airliner kits were mostly Minicraft that I purchased at Hobby Lobby for the same $10-$15. What I find interesting is that when Kurt's AA kits came out they primary hang up for folks is the price... Now days the Price of Plastic kits does not lag far behind. We are talking paying $50 for a plastic 717 where as the AA 757 is around $70.

      The AA kit doesn't seem so "expensive" to me anymore, especially considering how detailed and exquisitely molded/engineered they are. Crazy how things change. Luckily for me I build so slowly the investment in a kit is something that lasts for quite some time.

      As far as converting... I've only tried to convert one kit, a Minicraft MD-80 to a MD-90 using the BRAZ conversion set. 12 years later it still sits unfinished; I seriously doubt I'll ever complete that kit and, if EE makes a MD-90 kit I'll purchase that and use the half-built one as a "test mule."

      Funny enough, I had actually purchased everything needed to convert a Revell A330-300 to a -200 but when Kurt came out with the -200 kit I sold everything and bought the AA kit. I also thought about converting a DC-9 myself but when the PAS kit came out I abandoned that idea. One day I'll get around to building the kit I have! Clearly I prefer to just build a kit of what I want!

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      Post #69206, posted on 01-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jodie,

      I know what you mean. My first airliner kits were mostly Minicraft that I purchased at Hobby Lobby for the same $10-$15. What I find interesting is that when Kurt's AA kits came out they primary hang up for folks is the price... Now days the Price of Plastic kits does not lag far behind. We are talking paying $50 for a plastic 717 where as the AA 757 is around $70.

      The AA kit doesn't seem so "expensive" to me anymore, especially considering how detailed and exquisitely molded/engineered they are. Crazy how things change. Luckily for me I build so slowly the investment in a kit is something that lasts for quite some time.

      As far as converting... I've only tried to convert one kit, a Minicraft MD-80 to a MD-90 using the BRAZ conversion set. 12 years later it still sits unfinished; I seriously doubt I'll ever complete that kit and, if EE makes a MD-90 kit I'll purchase that and use the half-built one as a "test mule."

      Funny enough, I had actually purchased everything needed to convert a Revell A330-300 to a -200 but when Kurt came out with the -200 kit I sold everything and bought the AA kit. I also thought about converting a DC-9 myself but when the PAS kit came out I abandoned that idea. One day I'll get around to building the kit I have! Clearly I prefer to just build a kit of what I want!

      Chris



      This seems to be the knee-jerk reaction anymore. Anytime someone announces a new, injection-molded kit the response is always "Well, I know Kurt is working on a XYZ" or "Hey Kurt ! How about a fill-in-the-blank?" or "I'll just wait for AA to release aircraft-in-question". Kurt makes some nice kits, but I also don't want to spend an arm and a leg to acquire them......if they're even in stock.

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      Jodie,

      I know what you mean. My first airliner kits were mostly Minicraft that I purchased at Hobby Lobby for the same $10-$15. What I find interesting is that when Kurt's AA kits came out they primary hang up for folks is the price... Now days the Price of Plastic kits does not lag far behind. We are talking paying $50 for a plastic 717 where as the AA 757 is around $70.

      The AA kit doesn't seem so "expensive" to me anymore, especially considering how detailed and exquisitely molded/engineered they are. Crazy how things change. Luckily for me I build so slowly the investment in a kit is something that lasts for quite some time.

      As far as converting... I've only tried to convert one kit, a Minicraft MD-80 to a MD-90 using the BRAZ conversion set. 12 years later it still sits unfinished; I seriously doubt I'll ever complete that kit and, if EE makes a MD-90 kit I'll purchase that and use the half-built one as a "test mule."

      Funny enough, I had actually purchased everything needed to convert a Revell A330-300 to a -200 but when Kurt came out with the -200 kit I sold everything and bought the AA kit. I also thought about converting a DC-9 myself but when the PAS kit came out I abandoned that idea. One day I'll get around to building the kit I have! Clearly I prefer to just build a kit of what I want!

      Chris



      This seems to be the knee-jerk reaction anymore. Anytime someone announces a new, injection-molded kit the response is always "Well, I know Kurt is working on a XYZ" or "Hey Kurt ! How about a fill-in-the-blank?" or "I'll just wait for AA to release aircraft-in-question". Kurt makes some nice kits, but I also don't want to spend an arm and a leg to acquire them......if they're even in stock.



      My point was that at $50, the new EE 717 kit is no longer "that much" cheaper than an AA kit. When it comes to the Revell A330 I was going to convert; the cost of acquiring all the parts necessary for the conversion was not much less than the AA A330-200 kit I eventually bought. So to me with the Cost of plastic kits going up and up the gap is price between them and the AA kits is closing.

      Chris

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      Post #69599, posted on 02-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I just acquired the EE kit, at the $49 price, also got a Shorts Skyvan for about $35, both to me are really expensive, and EE prices are really going through the roof, but it's what I have to pay if I want one.

      I have flown on 717's a lot so it's an aircraft that I really want, Skyvan only once, but it's just so cute.

      I was stunned the other day that there was seller with Zvezda B737-800's going for $18, now considering what a good kit that is, that is a bargain

      For Jodie, I would unload your PAS kit, the engines are way underscale compared to the EE kit, which look quite close to scale, although I haven't done any measurements yet.

      Graeme