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      Post #69464, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The other day I impulsively bought Ken's 744, and plan to build it in KLM colors, because it's one of the last good schemes still in the sky.

      One question I ran into as I was sawing the intakes: should the resin in the back end of the intake go away once it's cleaned up, or should I try to preserve a small amount of it?


      I was also having fun with the sawdust, because, you know, us modelers have issues

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      Post #69465, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Lufthansa Boeing Four-Holer,


      You stole my idea! My plan for my AA 744 is to the first 747 I rode on. KLMs City of Hongkong in the "KLM Asia" livery.

      I'd think you'd want the entire resin block to go away.... That is what I planned to do. Unless someone who has built the kit (or its creator ) says different that's the way I intend on going.

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      Post #69469, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Merlin, you have to remove it completely to insert the fans from the rear.

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      Post #69471, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes, Merlin, remove it completely AND remember that resin dust is harmful!
      Whatever your idea here - do not breath in the dust!
      I always do sawing work outside on the balcony using a mask.
      After that I clean and sand the parts under water.

      Cheers,
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      Post #69475, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Perfect, thanks for the tips everyone, I'll cut those parts out.

      Christian, I'm sawing in a well-ventilated area, I was just joking about the dust ;)

      Chris, I've not been on one of KLM's 400s yet, need to do it asap before they get retired, maybe I'll use Delta points to get upstairs. I was on a few of their 200SUD/300s back in 94 and 95, don't remember which ones because I was young and not paying enough attention. I do remember being given a little lego plane by one of the FAs, those were the days.

      So far, this kit has been a real breeze to assemble. The parts match up well, the panel lines are really fine, and the shape looks dead-on. Looks like yet another masterpiece. My tentative goal is to have this one done for our April 21 IPMS show, fingers crossed I can stay on track this time round.

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      Post #69477, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      You'd better catch one before they are gone for sure... There for a while I was ridding them about once every other year or so on my way to the Netherlands to visit my Oma's family. Once I was old enough to talk to the family travel agent I made sure we got on one ;). Never made it on the old one's however as Delta was usually out best bet until around 2000 when the DL hub at DFW closed. Got to fly a bunch of L-1011s though (ATL-AMS).

      April 21 huh? I don't think I've ever built a model that fast in my whole life! I might could have one done by April 21 next year . I guess if I had to one of the AA kits is probably the best place to start and the 744 is no exception from what I can tell. Maybe we should have a contest haha.

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      Post #69482, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Sounds good Chris, game on! My record was finishing an AA 707 in 17 days back in 2015, including a 16-hour marathon on the Friday before the IPMS show. Not looking to repeat that, but this three-day weekend I've made good progress on the basics.

      I picked PH-BFV to do for this one, because a) that frame is a combi and the kit comes with the SCD, and b) Vancouver's a nice city just up the road (if BFS were San Franciso I'd do that one). One thing I noticed about the KLM 747s is that the #4 pylon trailing edge is red, as are the two inboard flap canoes. The left side has no noticeable red. Maybe this is because they want to make the right more visible for belt loaders. Funny how you don't notice this stuff until you research a kit, and then you can never un-see it. Another funny thing is that the winglets are Boeing gray at the very bottom, as are the pylons (though the nacelles are the KLM light gray). This picture sums up a lot of these things:


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      Post #69487, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      She's a looker for sure!! Something about the Crown, blue, and grey reminds me of my second home. Sad to see the 747s being phased out for sure...

      17 days huh? I might could get the basic parts assembled in that amount of time!

      You are right about the red paint on the Flap Track canoes/#4 Pylon. They are there so the ground handlers don't hit them! As far as the lower part of the winglet being gray... I'm pretty sure it is because the gray part is actual the wing structure... every 744 that I can recall has the same pattern. Why it couldn't be painted the same color as the rest of the winglet I have no idea...

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      Post #69488, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      My guess is that the winglets get installed separately, so the wing gets the same color regardless or carrier, except Lufthansa, they have the LH gray on the underside and on the winglet. What really drove me nuts though was this one:

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      Post #69489, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      My guess is that the winglets get installed separately, so the wing gets the same color regardless or carrier, except Lufthansa, they have the LH gray on the underside and on the winglet. What really drove me nuts though was this one:




      Looks like a United Winglet??

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      Post #69490, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      That's a Delta A330 wing.

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      Post #69491, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      For some reason, they put a little gray stripe at the bottom. Most of the other ones don't have it.

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      Post #69492, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      That's a Delta A330 wing.



      Yup it sure is! I didn't read nor look carefully enough! Thought we were still on 747s so was just focusing on the winglet itself. Whoops!


      But yes... I'm not sure what the story is there. Maybe same thing? I.E. the gray part is a part of the wing structure itself?

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      Post #69495, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      It's a ways up the winglet, gotta be something else. The older members of the fleet has blue to the base, maybe this one was a bad masking job.

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      Post #69498, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      That's a Delta A330 wing.



      Thatís not an A330 wing, sorry. This is an A330 wing.


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      Post #69499, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Thatís not an A330 wing, sorry. This is an A330 wing.





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      Post #69501, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Whatís the question? The first photo is not an A330.

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      Post #69503, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      It IS a Delta a330. The 242 Tonne version has modified flap track fairings. The Picture is of a 242t.

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      Post #69504, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yeah, that one is N822NW, those ones have the funky canoes.

      The old one (from the same seat) on N814NW (also without the gray):


      Back to the original topic of the KLM 744 build: I made a decent amount of progress this weekend:
      1. The fuselage and tail cone have been joined, faired, sanded, and primered
      2. The engine parts are all separated and sanded, the intakes are painted, and the fans are almost there (how do people paint the spinner swirls?!?!?). The fit of the intake and body is near perfect, so that won't require much sanding
      3. The winglets have been attached and faired. For this, I used extra thin CA with one of those applicators, worked great. Simply held the joint together, and then touched the applicator tube to the underside of the join. Once the basic fit was verified, I repeated this to get the CA to fill the gap, so I had minimal sanding to do (sawing molding bricks and sanding are my least favorite aspects of modeling, so I find creative ways to avoid them )
      4. The tail feathers came out of the box near perfect, so after some cleanup I blasted some primer on those, and I already got the white topcoat on the fin. It looks a bit thick, so I might strip and redo it (the beauty of resin is it won't get eaten up if you strip paint with acetone)
      5. The flaptrack canoes and wheels got their primer coats. The wheels all came on their own bricks, so I taped them to a skewer to get them all in one go. Until now, I've only built three-legged airliners, so I'll have to futz around with the 5-legged one to make sure none of them stick in the air funkily.

      Here's a picture that contains all of these pieces and illustrates the size of the kit (beer bottle included for scale):



      Next up, I'll check the fin and redo if needed to improve my topcoat skills, and test-fit the wing/fuselage joints to see if I need to put any putty in there to set the dihedral correctly.

      After that, the engines will get their cleanup, and then the airbrush comes out in earnest. I noticed a couple of things looking at pictures that will make this annoying, like the fact that the pylons are Boeing gray and not KLM gray like the nacelles, but that's all part of the fun. The waterline color change will also be daunting, but I can afford a little bit of slack due to the dark blue cheatline.

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      Post #69507, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      So Airbus had the shorter Flap Track fairings/canoes.... Lengthened them. Then shortened them again?...


      Build looks great so far!

      For birds with more than 3 gear struts I always set the nose and outboard (wing) mains, glue the inboard mains with some sort of slower setting glue (5 min epoxy for example) and then stand the whole model up with all 5 gear bogies on the ground (with the inboard mains still wet). Probably not the best way but its work for me.

      I'm not looking forward to doing the waterline color change... Lots of thin masking tape and lots of patience (and maybe a few more of those beers!). I've found Aizu tape to be best.

      Good luck with the paint! That's a lot or surface area to cover! Glad I have an RG-3!

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      Post #69514, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The 330/340 had the longer canoes until l/n 1627, then switched to the shorter, deeper, and IMHO uglier ones. There might be a few exceptions to the rule for reasons like spares uniformity (like the AF A330 tails), but I think that's the pattern.

      For the waterline, I got 2mm stretchy tape, should work pretty well. Again, there's a few mm of fudge factor/overspray tolerance on this one, it's not as bad as doing a Lufthansa gray belly.

      The coverage shouldn't be an issue, I've painted 1:72 707s with the same airbrush, I just use thinned enamels and go to town. I'm more afraid of goofing up with rattle cans.

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      Post #69518, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      The 330/340 had the longer canoes until l/n 1627, then switched to the shorter, deeper, and IMHO uglier ones. There might be a few exceptions to the rule for reasons like spares uniformity (like the AF A330 tails), but I think that's the pattern.





      Learn something new everyday! Wonder why they switched in the first place just to switch back? Odd.

      I've got some of the stretchy tape from tamiya. Stuff works great, just be careful it doesn't stretch too much as I've found it won't stick quite as well.

      I never have gotten along very well with rattle cans! Luckily I have enough airbrushes and a large enough compressor I shouldn't need to use them again....

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      Post #69521, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Wonder why they switched in the first place just to switch back? Odd.


      To be clear, there was only ever one switch, from the old to the new ones. One fun fact is that the 500/600 have a slightly longer canoe on one side because that's where the RAT lives. Not sure about the 200/300.

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      Post #69522, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Wonder why they switched in the first place just to switch back? Odd.


      To be clear, there was only ever one switch, from the old to the new ones. One fun fact is that the 500/600 have a slightly longer canoe on one side because that's where the RAT lives. Not sure about the 200/300.



      On the Stardard A330s that's true but the NEO and the 242t version have shorter fairings again. If you squint and use magnifying glasses you can see them here: http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2017/10/a330neo-takes-to-the-skies.html

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      Post #69528, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yeah, when they did the 242t version, the short canoes were introduced as part of a drag cleanup as the new production standard. IIRC, 1627 was the first 242t, so the rest after all have it too (minus possibly a few exceptions). Same story with the 747 WBF: introduced on the 400 as a new part, and got added to the remaining 200/300 still rolling off the line. Possibly also true with the A320s as well, is it even still possible to get the tortilla chips on a CEO?

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      Post #69530, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Yeah, when they did the 242t version, the short canoes were introduced as part of a drag cleanup as the new production standard. IIRC, 1627 was the first 242t, so the rest after all have it too (minus possibly a few exceptions). Same story with the 747 WBF: introduced on the 400 as a new part, and got added to the remaining 200/300 still rolling off the line. Possibly also true with the A320s as well, is it even still possible to get the tortilla chips on a CEO?



      Amazing how manufacturers are still making enhancements to aircraft that have been around for so long!

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