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      Post #69844, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      from PAS Decals forum:
      http://www.pas-decals.ru/forum/novosti/1078-novinki-vostochnyj-ekspress?start=324#35808

      new tooling 737-300, boxes:
      EE144129_1 Jet2
      EE144129_2 Southwest
      EE144129_3 Varig
      EE144129_4 Frontier
      EE144129_5 KLM
      EE144129_6 Western Pacific

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      Post #69845, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Interesting news,
      although personally I think its a long long way for them trying to beat the great DACO kit.

      We will find out.
      The poor quality of all last EE releases make me support Authentic Airliners and DACO even more.

      However, I am extremely grateful to EE for their IL-18, Il-22, IL-38, An-22 and An-12 releases.
      I seriously adore the rustic beauty of Russian jets and props and I value these kits a lot.


      Cheers,

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      Post #69846, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      New tooling...does this mean they copied the DACO kits this time?

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      Post #69847, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      New tooling or new decals? I'm afraid I don't read Russian so I have no idea what is being discussed in the PAS forum.

      If it is a "new" tool I share FokkerFan's scepticism about its origin, particularly since the DACO kit includes winglets. In any event the price of recent EE kits suggests the 737 is likely to be significantly dearer than the DACO version and it isn't immediately obvious why anybody would want to pay more for an inferior product.

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      Post #69850, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The forum is somewhat ambiguous on whether it is genuinely new tooling or merely one or two new bits. Only one or two forum members have seen it and they are not volunteering more information.

      EE prices are not outrageous if one orders from a Russian source. That has been noted tome and time again: I despair of the unnecessary anguish on that front. Having said that, EE prices are climbing fast, even in Russia. EE are trying a new business model that takes account of the extreme paucity and advancing age (read higher incomes) of airliner scale modellers worldwide.

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      Post #69851, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      EE prices are not outrageous if one orders from a Russian source. That has been noted tome and time again: I despair of the unnecessary anguish on that front.



      Since I have no intention of every buying another Eastern Express kit (with the sole exception of the Tristars which as we all know are basically Otaki) I have no anguish, unnecessary or otherwise, about their prices. From my own point of view I couldn't care less but I would be concerned that an inferior copy might take sales away from Danny Coremans.

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      Post #69852, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      EE prices are not outrageous if one orders from a Russian source. That has been noted tome and time again: I despair of the unnecessary anguish on that front. Having said that, EE prices are climbing fast, even in Russia. EE are trying a new business model that takes account of the extreme paucity and advancing age (read higher incomes) of airliner scale modellers worldwide.



      Very curious to know where these bargains are to be had from a Russian source, I recently bought the Shorts Skyvan, but not the cheap Olympic boxing (single decal option), but the much more expensive BA boxing (multiple decal option), from the cheapest I could find on ebay in the Russian Federation and it still cost over USD 40 including postage.

      Their idea of a new business model needs to be looked at carefully, we can all relate to last years Photobucket NEW business model and what it did for them.

      As a business model I buy Zvezda kits by the multiples, but EE kits very selectively as singular

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      Post #69853, posted on 03-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Well, while trying not to advertise inadvertently, I can find _most_ EE kits for on average a third off their UK price without any trouble. Off-ebay, by the way: ebay tends to be a rip-off. I found a type similar to the one cited for USD 23 plus P&P which, to Austrialia, would sadly add much to the price. True, the more recent ones (and all the ones with dozens of decal options) are hard to find at that sort of discount.

      Individual buying tactics aside, EE's new (past 18 months-odd) business model seems to be, "Take it or leave it; it's there if you want it -- at a price".

      Comes across as callous, but we should temper our anger: we have known and put up with this business model for decades. Indeed, eminent proponents of it have huge fan bases! The difference is that now it is no longer the preserve of resin or vacform kit makers.

      Injection moulding production runs (for airliner subjects) are now sub-5,000, and often enough sub-1000 units. This means injection moulding is no longer cheaper per unit than vacforming or resin casting. Rapid prototyping and rapid production have cut injection moulding tooling cost, but it is still _times_ dearer than what resin and vacform makers pay for their moulds.

      I hope this helps us curb the double-standard impulse to praise one high-price maker while denigrating another high-price maker, other things being equal.

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      Post #69854, posted on 03-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      .. And another thing, if I may, at the risk of becoming boring...

      As a community, we are given to daydreaming of yet-unreleased kits of diverse subjects in 1/144 scale. The prevalent business model is still to give us a good quality injection moulded Boeing 707s along with a good dozen to dozen-and-a-half US, European, Russian, and rest-of-the-world types.

      I do not have any connection with Eastern Express, but am quite confident that their high retail price business model will give us good quality injection moulded kits of all these types. Moreover, it will give us all this within the coming five years, if not sooner. If a kit of the ever-popular (as the late, lamented Clinton Groves would have put it) Handley Page Dart-Herald is on the way (and it is), we can expect any surprise.

      Oh, and the "disruptive" aspect of the business models tells me we can easily expect entirely new versions of kits EE got wrong before adopting this business model, like the 737, 757, and A318...

      Not to mention that EE are one of half a dozen small and hungry ex-USSR kit makers, and that the same business model can easily be adopted by any or all the others, leading to our wish-list being delivered even more rapidly.

      I would say any pretence that such moves are unwelcome would be graceless and curmudgeonly. Wouldn't you? Especially against the consistently welcome fanfare given equally or more expensive resin and vacform kits. (Unless, of course, we are in the hobby simply to carp on about how many types are yet to be released, and having those types released deprives us of the pleasure of carping...)

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      Post #69856, posted on 03-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Ex-USSR? That was almost 30 years ago

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      Post #69857, posted on 03-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Photos of the EE 737-300 are out now and show a near-total copy of the DACO 737-300...

      Any copyright lawyers in the house???

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      There's probably a plentitude of less visible minor changes to make the design seem different. The breakdown of major parts, however, is almost entirely a repeat of DACO -- down to the top/bottom wing parts and the characteristic separate rudder.

      Some feeble attempts to get further away from the original 2005 kit (i.e., at "deniability") are apparent in the flap track canoes, engine attachments and minor details elsewhere. DACO's clear parts and provisions for them are missing, which is no surprise. The only welcome novelty is that a crease beam seems to have been introduced.

      As noted in the Russian forum (a couple of posts above the photos), prices are likely to be more than twice those of the DACO kits, making the whole exercise more than somewhat futile...

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      Post #69858, posted on 03-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      As noted in the Russian forum (a couplle of posts above the photos), prices are likely to be more than twice those of the DACO kits, making the whole exercise more than somewhat futile...



      Indeed and even when those prices were lower I would still support the original manufacturer, rather than a copier. Fortunately they made an easy choice. Now where am I going to find the time to build all those DaCo kits I already purchased...

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      Post #69859, posted on 03-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Any new kit is a plus for us!!

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      Post #69860, posted on 03-31-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Any new kit is a plus for us!!



      Well not quite true for me, I don't respect those who use someone else's work as their own and charge a lot for it
      I would like to see them redo the 757 to their new standard though rather than a 733, seems a waste of plastic, but maybe it's more for the domestic market

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      Post #69861, posted on 03-31-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Well at least we wont run out of 737's.

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