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      Post #71333, posted on 01-08-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2019/concorde-prototype-boac-1.html

      plus:
      1/72: HP Jetstream, HS-Dominie (125) und DH Heron
      Not that bad.

      All seems to be rereleases.

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      Post #71335, posted on 01-08-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      If the Heron is coming back,
      then so is my wish for aftermarket Riley Conversion engines!

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      Post #71338, posted on 01-08-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Decals for this from July 1965 please!



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      Post #71350, posted on 01-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The Concorde proto reissue is the one and only
      144 scale airliner kit in AIRFIX' 2019 product range.
      All others only military.
      Searched their 2019 product offer.
      It's disappointing, poor and boring. 👎 👎 👎
      Since years only reissues of their old-molds-kits.

      So why the hell is AIRFIX obviously unable to come
      with something new?
      Why they are not able to develop and release
      a new airliner kit - no matter which one? 😕
      Or repack at least a kit of another producer and
      release it under AIRFIX brand as it seems to have something
      new in their own range?

      I don't understand.....it's a mystery to me... 😱

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      Post #71351, posted on 01-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      the PRIDEbird :Why they are not able to develop and release
      a new airliner kit - no matter which one? 😕



      Who says they're not able to do that? There's a big difference between being able to do something and having the desire to do it. If the powers that be at Airfix aren't interested in doing airliner kits (which they obviously aren't), then they're not going to do airliner kits. I've seen no evidence to support the idea that I should be disappointed that they're not doing new airliner kits. That's because I've seen zero evidence that the have any intention of doing so.

      In case you haven't noticed, you're currently living in the GOLDEN AGE of airliner model kits. The likes of Zvezda and Revell are making that happen on a regular basis, and frankly, their products are far better than anything Airfix has put out recently. Everyone's fawning over everything they do, but the kits are uniformly "blah" to me. Deep, wide panel lines on most of them, huge out of place "rivets", and oversimplified and missing details. For crying out loud, they didn't even put a gun sight or a compass in their 1/48 Sea Fury cockpit.

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      Post #71352, posted on 01-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Only a guess...

      Yeah that was it is. Either they CAN'T
      or they DON'T WANT it.
      From the customers side it seems the company is unable
      or incompetent to do what a customer expects or wishes.

      In that case it seems AIRFIX is definitely not interested to
      increase their product range.
      Too bad! 😕

      You're right AIRFIX' airliner kits are absolutely not 1st class choice.
      REVELL and ZVEZDA (and some others)make good quality kits.
      AIRFIX' molds are 10ⁿ years old.
      The best point to do something new.

      On the other hand - they have (or had)some rarities in their range,
      classic British' airliners, which others don't have.

      An ATP for example. It's british
      and no other has it (as injection).
      A reissue of REVELL's BAe/Avro,
      a new molded BAC 1-11 500 for example..
      I have enough ideas in mind.

      But they don't want! That's the reason.
      Personally, I think it's a pity.
      A chance to increase the offer for the customer in the market.
      Competition stimulates business.

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      Post #71354, posted on 01-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Well since none of us here works for Airfix or Hornby, it’s utterly pointless to even speculate about why they do or don’t do anything. What you may wish for is completely irrelevant to the real world.

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      Post #71357, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Fun fact: most scale aircraft modellers don't like airliners at all. Every new tooled airliner kit that gets released should be seen as a blessing

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      Post #71358, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      It is easy: It is all about Money.

      Once at Telford a representative of a big model Company told me about earning Money with models:

      Doing an Airliner: Factor 1
      Doing an military Aircraft: Factor 10.
      Puting a swastika on it: Factor 100.

      That explains everything.

      Did he make a joke? I don´t think so.

      And yes, it is absolutly great what we can build today. I never thought, that we would get almost any russian airliner in 1/144. And a lot of them (Zvezda) are superb!!!!

      My two Cents
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      Post #71361, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      ^ ^ ^ Exactly.

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      Post #71362, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Uwe and Jennings "hit the nail on the head". In the end it's all about a company having and making money and having an interest or not in making airliner kits...

      As to Airfix new mold airliners....don't forget the C-47/DC-3 from just a few years ago. Not a modern Russian jet airliner but still an airliner release none the less.

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      Post #71363, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The only reason Airfix are releasing their Concorde prototype is to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the first flight, which took place on March 2, 1969 - although I don't understand why they decided to stick to the BOAC colours when they could have made a prototype livery.

      Heller have done the same with their recent 1/100 Caravelle/Concorde prototype combo - and they have included proper prototype decals (by Philippe of F-DCAL).

      Scroll through the pictures on http://jpj1-35.over-blog.com/2018/01/ouvre-boite-coffret-la-legende-heller.html

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      Post #71365, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I entered an IPMS event last year, there about a dozen 1/144 airliner entries and three 1/72 airliner entree's. All three 1/72 won, the judge said he doesn't consider 1/144 worth judging do lack of detail in that scale. Now if that is the attitude at certain model companies ……….

      There are a million P-51 kits out there and still a few new releases every year, airliners will never stand much of chance, at least not in this country. Seems the Russians have the right idea.

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      Post #71366, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Not only the P-51. Hundreds of Bf-109 in all versions. And every year a new mold in any scale in any version with any decal.
      :-)

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      Post #71368, posted on 01-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      ... Seems the Russians have the right idea.



      ...and they make money with it! 😄👍

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      Post #71370, posted on 01-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I realize this is drifting off topic but am still going to address it...

      Yea I realize I'll be known as the "crank" who always defends IPMS and judging.....

      For Steve J. There should have been 3 judges. The judge(s) should have been able to give you specific feedback on reasons that certain models placed and others did not. If all the models were built to the same skill level and the 1/72 ones were more detailed then yes they should have won. On the flip side of things I've had a 1/300 model beat out other 1/144 ones a couple of times. At Airliners last year a 1/144 DC-4 beat out a 1/72 737 with a fully detailed cockpit for Judges Best of Show. Scale isn't and shouldn't be a rule of what is the better model.

      Ken




      I entered an IPMS event last year, there about a dozen 1/144 airliner entries and three 1/72 airliner entree's. All three 1/72 won, the judge said he doesn't consider 1/144 worth judging do lack of detail in that scale. Now if that is the attitude at certain model companies ……….

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      Post #71374, posted on 01-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      In nearly two decades of attending, participating in, and occasionally judging in IPMS/USA contests ranging all the way from local and regional shows to a Nationals or two, the one thing I have been able to expect is that the philosophy used to judge models at nearly every contest is going to vary somehow. Sometimes it's in subtle ways and at other times it's in a way that leaves you scratching your head. To go further into all of this would seriously derail the thread, but I'll just say the attitude displayed by the judge Steve described is troubling to me.

      Regarding the larger topic of this thread, while it is disappointing that Airfix isn't giving us any new subjects in 1:144, I also know the civil/commercial aspect of the hobby is a small segment within a small industry. I find the emphasis on military subjects tiresome (and won't even get into how the ongoing fascination with a certain failed regime is bizarre, to say the least) but I also know that's what sells - and for a company like Airfix that has faced some business challenges, any argument I can muster will not compete with the realities of the bottom line. Instead, I find it more productive to appreciate what Zvezda and Roden and Eastern Express, among others, have brought to market the last few years. Yes, their products are harder to find; perhaps they cost more than we might like, and sometimes we have gripes about the kits themselves. But those firms are listening to our end of the hobby, and they are delivering the goods.

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      Post #71375, posted on 01-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Jodie 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

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      Post #71379, posted on 01-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      My local IPMS is mostly warbirds, they have single and multi, jet and prop, in a variety of different scales, then one bucket for airliners with ~10 entries. That said, everyone's always impressed by airliners, because they're big and shiny, not to mention uncommon, so there's a silver lining.

      Regarding the NS Subjects, everyone's fascinated by all of the Wunderwaffen, even the ones that were actually not that great, but have taken on a mythological following (like the Tiger II). In a historical sense, it's a good thing that these toys were prioritized by NS leadership, because it meant that they were tinkering with science projects like the V2, V3, Tiger, Maus, etc., instead of building merely satisfactory things en masse like the Russians and Americans were doing, which ultimately led to the NS defeat.

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      Post #71381, posted on 01-12-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Finally I just like the idea of building this Concorde Prototype.
      Perhaps with these BOAC decals, perhaps with some Prototyp decals from F-Dcal.
      So I have to make my mind up: British or French Prototyp.....or both????

      Have fun and a nice weekend
      Uwe

      PS: Any words about the Nitto Tu-144 Prototyp? Is it really 1/132 or even closer 1/144 ?

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      Post #71382, posted on 01-12-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      ...So I have to make my mind up: British or French Prototyp.....or both????

      Have fun and a nice weekend
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      PS: Any words about the Nitto Tu-144 Prototyp? Is it really 1/132 or even closer 1/144 ?



      BOTH! Definitely both. 😃👍
      An interesting option is a Concorde proto
      in Pan Am markings!
      As I remember right Pan Am was #3 customer behind
      BA and AF.
      Or TWA like this:

      https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/d5/49/9cd5491d27ef82e9eb12023c0ecbc2d9.jpg

      Lufthansa would also look very nice.
      Parabola livery! 👍

      It's anyway a flight of fancy...
      Not quite sure if Pan Am decals for the proto are available?
      Never heard...

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      Post #71383, posted on 01-12-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Airfix needs to re-release their 1/144 DC-9.

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      Post #71388, posted on 01-12-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      An interesting option is a Concorde proto
      in Pan Am markings!
      As I remember right Pan Am was #3 customer behind
      BA and AF.





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