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      Post #72529, posted on 05-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/boeing_two_deadly_crashes

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      Post #72532, posted on 05-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Very interesting, thank you for sharing.

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      Post #72799, posted on 06-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/politics/boeing-737-max-flaw/index.html

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      Post #72800, posted on 06-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Despite what the article said ( I know, the media got it wrong?), the microprocessor is fine. It is just that the software is programmed to lower the nose at a slower rate than the FAA says it should be. Blancolirio ( a 777 First Officer) has an excellent explanation on his Youtube channel. This is probably only a software fix, not a hardware problem.

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      Post #72801, posted on 06-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Despite what the article said ( I know, the media got it wrong?), the microprocessor is fine. It is just that the software is programmed to lower the nose at a slower rate than the FAA says it should be. Blancolirio ( a 777 First Officer) has an excellent explanation on his Youtube channel. This is probably only a software fix, not a hardware problem.



      Greetings!

      That was my take on Juan Browne's YouTube video as well. It seemed that the FAA pilots kind of noticed the slower response as an afterthought, but believe the response needs to be quicker, and it probably does.

      I believe that the FAA is going to be super careful about lifting the grounding because of the embarrassment this fiasco has (rightfully) caused them, and this airplane will be about the safest bet to ride on that you'll find once it has been cleared. I will not hesitate to ride on the 737 Max models once they come back into service.

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      Post #72802, posted on 06-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I've completely quit reading anything about the 737 MAX in mainstream media. Not a single one of them has the faintest clue what they're writing about, and the "facts" that are being foisted off on the public are ridiculous.

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      Post #72807, posted on 06-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Now this.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #72810, posted on 06-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      "Making as little as $9 an hour..." - a sentence which can mean any number of things, and not that the people actually writing the software were making $9 an hour. More mainstream media claptrap.

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      Post #72811, posted on 06-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      With Boeing's relentless drive to increase profits, it would not surprise me one bit if the software engineering work was outsourced to some third-world country. This is a very common practice among American companies now.

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      Post #72816, posted on 07-01-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      "Making as little as $9 an hour..." - a sentence which can mean any number of things, and not that the people actually writing the software were making $9 an hour. More mainstream media claptrap.



      The full sentence is:

      "Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India."

      I can only take it at face value until someone supplies evidence it's a lie.

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #72817, posted on 07-01-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      And as usual, there’s WAY more to that story (which seems to be utterly false at best)...

      https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/indian-it-firms-unfairly-targeted-in-boeing-737-max-fiasco-says-industry/articleshow/70018756.cms?fbclid=IwAR2bnOny4QzYoE-SH6Nr4exNeYTEQBBTfUciz-M071b8wdjTomIhmQzuMC0

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      Post #72822, posted on 07-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      And as usual, there’s WAY more to that story (which seems to be utterly false at best)...

      https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/indian-it-firms-unfairly-targeted-in-boeing-737-max-fiasco-says-industry/articleshow/70018756.cms?fbclid=IwAR2bnOny4QzYoE-SH6Nr4exNeYTEQBBTfUciz-M071b8wdjTomIhmQzuMC0



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      With Boeing's relentless drive to increase profits, it would not surprise me one bit if the software engineering work was outsourced to some third-world country. This is a very common practice among American companies now.



      There are a lot of other "third-world country" if it's not India.

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      Post #72823, posted on 07-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      And you're making the probably incorrect assumption that there are people in the United States who are even capable of writing that kind of code.

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      Post #72826, posted on 07-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Alas, working in IT I know all too well the variables are wildly varied and numerous.

      Amongst the worst I’ve seen is two eminiently capable teams generating software that fails to work together—the ages-old interoperability issue. Add to that hardware, and, well, you know...

      No nation or pay scale holds a monopoly on failure or success. History is replete with examples of disaster, from Mulholland’s St. Francis dam to AECL’s Therac, to the Soyuz decompression disaster. No one’s immune. We’re all human, we all screw up.

      How we deal with it-including learning-is key.

      Some random thoughts from an IT/engineer-type guy.

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      Post #72835, posted on 07-07-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I love how some people on here dismiss others arguments for quoting mainstream media then quote mainstream media to support their argument!!! Hilarious.

      Pot, kettle and black comes to mind!

      Also fixing this problem, doesn't mean the Max will be the safest plane flying, over the years many airliners have had fatal flaws fixed only to be hit by something else.

      It's a strange and quite bizarre how some people get so attached to one manufacture or one plane over another and will defend or attack based purely on what they like.

      Personally I just want a safe industry, with lots of healthy competition and us amateur armchair 'experts' (and everyone here is unless they are a full on engineer or senior airline employee etc.) be realistic when arguing or debating a point.

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      Post #72836, posted on 07-07-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      I love how some people on here dismiss others arguments for quoting mainstream media then quote mainstream media to support their argument!!! Hilarious.



      That's not what's happening. Posting a link doesn't mean you're using it to "support" an argument.

      This entire thread is ridiculous.

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      Post #73010, posted on 07-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-49108807

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73011, posted on 07-28-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Yeah, they're running out of places to put them all. I cycled over that bridge this morning, quite a sight to behold:


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      Post #73034, posted on 08-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/newly-stringent-faa-tests-spur-a-fundamental-software-redesign-of-737-max-flight-controls

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      Post #73052, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Good article, thanks for the post!