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      Post #72841, posted on 07-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I just received an e-mail from Aviation Megastore in Holland. They show the new Roden 340 kit with a provisional price and box art photo of the Convair wearing Hawaiian Airlines delivery colors. Here's the link:

      https://www.aviationmegastore.com/?action=prodinfo&parent_id=&art=163946

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      Post #72843, posted on 07-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I think I need one

      Keep em separated!
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      Post #72846, posted on 07-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      They say this is a 340,but the box art is a 440.Also,Roden list one in SAS markings.SAS only flew 440s.I dont care which it is,just as long as they get it right.
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      Post #72856, posted on 07-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Halleluja !!!!!! I don't care what livery it comes with, or what variant Roden chooses to call it ! I'll make it work with the decals in my stash that I have been preserving for this event. ALLEGHENY AIRLINES flys again.

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      Post #72859, posted on 07-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      They say this is a 340,but the box art is a 440.Also,Roden list one in SAS markings.SAS only flew 440s.I dont care which it is,just as long as they get it right.
      Sparky



      How can you tell the box art is a 440? I ask out of ignorance, not questioning your identification.

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      Post #72860, posted on 07-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Check the in process section of Roden's web site.

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      Post #72864, posted on 07-12-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Sparky :
      Check the in process section of Roden's web site.



      I would say that picture is a real photo of an real aircraft - probably not the final box art.

      Let's see what they'll put into the box.

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      Post #72866, posted on 07-13-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Does anybody got the RODEN 340 already?
      How are the sprues?

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      Post #72867, posted on 07-13-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      While I have no inside knowledge about this potential kit, it would seem possible that Roden may be considering several variations of the CV-340/440/580 airframes. They'd likely get a lot more mileage out of the basic kit, with said variations requiring few extra parts/runners.

      Just a thought...

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      Post #72875, posted on 07-13-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      While I have no inside knowledge about this potential kit, it would seem possible that Roden may be considering several variations of the CV-340/440/580 airframes. They'd likely get a lot more mileage out of the basic kit, with said variations requiring few extra parts/runners.

      Just a thought...

      -Dana



      I'm sure there will be some aftermarket goodies to allow for conversions. Dana, you might want to come out of semi-retirement! Besides the 580, we could also use a 540, a 580, and a 640 conversion for the 340.

      Roden has also announced a 1/144 C-131, which tells me the sprues will doubtless be a 340, which can be released in both civil and military boxings with just a change in decals.

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      Post #72876, posted on 07-14-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Some of the air force and navy Convairs were 440s.There again,I dont care as long as they get it right.Im also anxious to see the Stratoliner.
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      Post #72882, posted on 07-14-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Given Roden's MO to date, I wouldn't bank on seeing a lot of other hardware variations on the basic Convair mold. They simply don't have a track record of doing that. They'll reissue it in different boxes with different decals, but doubtful you'll see any plastic differences. I'm really excited to see how they do with it. It's about freaking time!

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      Post #72895, posted on 07-16-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roden-334-1-144-onvair-CV-340-Hawaiian-Airlines-aircraft-kit/254299410903?hash=item3b356d11d7:g:rPQAAOSw2QZdLeKm


      It looks that is already available.

      eBay under Roden 1/144 new items
      With Vintage Flyer Decals, this must be good.

      All the best,
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      Post #72898, posted on 07-16-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Nope !! It is not available yet. The shop listing the kit on Ebay states September delivery.. Roden will be releasing it in in August, so this shop is taking orders for later shipment.

      BTW..... The 1/1 CV340/C131 was (is) only just over 79 feet long, so in 1/144 scale the model will be about 6 and 5/8 inches long. For comparison, the Hawk/Testors C131 Samaritan model is 7 and 3/16 inches long and is 1/126 scale.
      So we will have a state of the art (?) kit in 1/144 scale,about the same physical size as the Hawk/Testors model.

      I have reserved mine !

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      Post #72899, posted on 07-16-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Just bought one from eBay in Ukraine. Says early to mid-September delivery.

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      Post #72903, posted on 07-16-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      No sprue photos yet.

      don't know if we will have the long radar nose alternative, nor the 440 possibilities

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      Post #72906, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi everyone,

      I think these have been released now.

      Yesterday, a friend of mine ordered two of these from an online store in the Ukraine. He was given an expected shipping date of "Sept 10 - Sept 20". This morning, he was sent an Email from the store with the status of "Shipping info received"....complete with a Postal tracking number.
      They wouldn't do this unless they were ready to ship the kits to him now.


      Unfortunately, getting anything from the Ukraine to the US on economy shipping can take as long as a month....so it may be awhile before anything gets to him.

      You folks in Europe may see these much sooner than you thought.

      Just an FYI....

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      Post #72907, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      No, that doesn't mean they're released. They do that all the time. All that means is that they created a shipping label and scanned the tracking number. It doesn't mean they've shipped it, or are going to ship it today. When I bought the Roden C-133, I got the same message, but it was two months before they actually shipped it.

      Shipping from Ukraine to Arizona usually only takes a few days, and if there is any delay, it's usually once it gets to the US.

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      Post #72908, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The e-bay seller is using an old photo of my Hawaiian sheet for the Hawk kit taken from the Scalemates site. The decals included with the kit won't be from me. But, I will be updating all of my Convairliner sheets to fit the new kit.

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      Post #72909, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      No sprue photos yet.

      don't know if we will have the long radar nose alternative, nor the 440 possibilities



      ..or both: The short and the long nose as alternate parts.
      Probably, hopefully, possibly...👍👍👍

      I'm more excited about the windows - how will they be?
      "Real" windows or decals only?
      It's half and half with RODEN - Super VC10, Britannia & 720
      have real windows, DC-7C doesn't.

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      Post #72910, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Be aware that Convairs built with the long radar nose at the factory have slightly different nose contours compared to the ones that had it added afterward. Not much, but there is a difference.

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      Post #72912, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I dont see the point to complicate ourselves
      lets wait and see the plastic sprues
      and give thanks that someone besides eastern express
      has injected this kit.

      Enjoy folks, this is a hobby not a master degree.

      Adios

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      Post #72918, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      I dont see the point to complicate ourselves
      lets wait and see the plastic sprues
      and give thanks that someone besides eastern express
      has injected this kit.

      Enjoy folks, this is a hobby not a master degree.

      Adios



      We're "complicating ourselves"? Where? I don't see that. Some people - maybe not you, but some people - really enjoy talking about details. That doesn't take anything away from your enjoyment of the hobby unless you choose to let it.

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      Post #72923, posted on 07-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      What was the difference Jennings in the shape of the radomes?
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      Post #72937, posted on 07-20-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The radome of the afterwards "upgraded" Convairs have a kind of constriction.
      A smaller section forward. Don't know how to describe it with words.
      Somehow like a condom.
      The condom radome.
      Or like a pimple on the nose.
      Somewhat in that kind...
      Seems it doesn't quite fit.

      On the pic you can see clearly what I mean...

      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_CV-340#/media/Datei:Fred_Olsen_Convair_340-32.jpg

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      Post #72938, posted on 07-20-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      the PRIDEbird :
      The radome of the afterwards "upgraded" Convairs have a kind of constriction.
      A smaller section forward. Don't know how to describe it with words.
      Somehow like a condom.
      The condom radome.
      Or like a pimple on the nose.
      Somewhat in that kind...
      Seems it doesn't quite fit.

      On the pic you can see clearly what I mean...

      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_CV-340#/media/Datei:Fred_Olsen_Convair_340-32.jpg



      Greetings!

      I don't think that's what Jennings meant at all. I think he was referring to the longer factory style Convair nose, not the nipple type shown in the photo, which was an after the fact modification. I have seen the Convair 240 with the longer nose fitted on it, and it does appear to have slightly different contours. None of the 240's were built with radar from the factory AFAIK.


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      Post #72939, posted on 07-20-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      It's not the shape of the radome, it's the way the radome is faired into the contours of the nose. The add-on radome that was installed over the top of the blunt nose faired in differently from the factory built long radar nose.

      It's been years since I've looked at it. I'll have to dig back through references. I may have lost all or most of it in my fire though. I can't recall if it was hard copy or digital.

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      Post #72940, posted on 07-20-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Jennings.
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      Post #72953, posted on 07-22-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Well..it has been officially released....according to the Roden website on 07Jul19.

      07.07.19
      Dear connoisseurs, we kindly invite you to acquaint with the new models!

      From the Roden website:
      Scale 1:144
      #334
      Convair CV-340 Hawaiian Airlines

      There are sprue shots if you click on the picture. Note the nose design....two types..NICE!!

      ...oh yea....the windows are punched through openings.
      I tried to copy the pictures...but I was not able to.


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      Post #72955, posted on 07-22-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Here they are, enjoy:

      http://www.roden.eu/HTML/334.htm

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      Post #72957, posted on 07-22-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      That is a 440.The decals will work on either as Hawaiian converted that aircraft from a 340 to a 440.Hawaiian never had radar on their recip Convairs.
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      Post #72962, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      It looks like a winner for Roden! If there are no fit issues, it will be a gem for people who like to do airport scene dioramas. Simple enough to put together fairly quickly, and with there already being quite a few decal choices available, it could be just what many of us have wanted for a loooong time!

      As far as radar is concerned, US airlines operating in Hawaii and Alaska with piston equipment were exempt from the new WX radar requirements put into effect by the FAA in the late 1950's, and many European airlines never fitted radar on their Convair twins. I liked the blunt and factory radar noses as well as the nipple type radome on the Convairs. They all looked good IMHO.

      The little history put out by Roden was slightly misinformed as to the development of the 340. The 340 was developed as the result of United Airlines canceling their order for the Martin 303/404 because of the bad publicity it had received after the crashes with the 202, but United thought that the 240 did not have the payload and profit generating ability it was seeking and convinced Convair that if the 240 were to be lengthened, and a larger span wing designed, the resulting aircraft would be better in all respects. American had bought 100 of the 240 but only used them in the eastern US where altitudes were lower and United was planning to use them in the western mountainous areas, so they needed the improved performance. The resulting airplane was the 340 and it proved to be a world beater. The 440 was just an improved model of the 340 to reduce noise and vibration and improve passenger comfort plus improve the engine augmentor exhaust system. Even Eastern Airlines had to buy the 440 since Martin never really recovered from the 202 fiasco and stopped making the 404 after building 103 airplanes. I rode on the 580 a lot on North Central and Frontier Airlines and liked the Convair a lot.

      A good kit of it is long overdue, but this one looks very nice!

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      Post #72964, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The sprue shot showing the exhausts say 440. Still looks good.

      -Dana

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      Post #72966, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      It's certainly being awaited with eagerness here. Convairs are neat.

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      Post #72967, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      WOOOOOOF!!!!!
      That's the missing and loooooong awaited kit!
      Would say a RODEN masterpiece.
      See it clearly right in front of me
      in classic Lufthansa livery!
      👍👍👍👍👍
      ...and United!
      I love the United 50ies livery! Looks so elegant.
      BTW: Did United flew ever the 440 or the 340 only?
      Otherwise it needs some conversation but should be possible.


      Anyway I'm sitting on glowing coals.....

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      Post #72968, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm so pleased they are doing the open cabin windows! And this kit even has the windshield area included with the fuselage halves! -- I never have liked the separate clear blocks that became so common in recent models. (I like to add my own windshield posts and use Kristal Klear.)

      Looking at the sprues, there may be two radomes in the kit. It is hard to discern the height of each from the photo.

      Good-looking kit!
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      Post #72969, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      ...and JAT, SWISSAIR and SAS!
      Think I need at least 5 of them....

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      Post #72970, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      There are always fit issues with Roden,but nothing I cant handle.I have seen most of yall's work,and If I can do it,it will only be a slight issue with you.Im looking forward to seeing one.The cowling front would be easy to enlarge to a 340 and Im sure we will see some resin parts to convert the exhaust from some one.
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      Post #72977, posted on 07-23-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Oooh, nice!! Me likie!!!

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      Post #72985, posted on 07-25-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Lets not forget,they are doing a 307 Stratoliner also.Im anxious to see that one too.
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      Post #73036, posted on 08-04-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      My kit was delivered yesterday from Ukraine. Unfortunately Iím in Michigan at my motherís bedside as she transitions out of this world and into the next. As soon as I get home and crack the box Iíll post some pics (if someone doesnít beat me to it). Not sure when that will be. My mom has always done things her own way and in her own good time, and this is no different.

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      Post #73037, posted on 08-04-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Our thoughts and prayers are with you, Jennings.
      Stay focused on the important things in life....our hobbies will wait.


      God bless.



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      Post #73041, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Wat would it take to convert this to a CV 340?

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      Post #73042, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The external difference is the smaller opening in the engine cowl front and square exhaust on the 440,vs the twin round exhaust on the 340.One note,North central operated five ex Continental 340s,converted to 440s except for the cowls.One could open up the front of the cowls on the Roden kit and use the ancient old colors decal from ATP to do this hybrid.I am hoping that some of the after market people will do resin exhaust bits.This would require some surgery but would not be to hard.
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      Post #73043, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Looking at the kit plastic on the Roden site, am I seeing things in that the kit actually has square exhausts? I don't have the kit yet as I'm not overly "passionate" about this aircraft (though I'm a sucker for airliners so I'll probably get one or two...)

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      Post #73045, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Jeff,the sprues show a 440,which is ok with me.The decals will work for either as the aircraft depicted on the decals was built as a 340,but later converted to a 440,as did several 340 operators.
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      Post #73050, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Ah-ha, I totally misread Andy36 comment above - he asks about going to the CV340 but I read it as though he wanted to go from the CV340, sorry and I really must research the versons of the aircraft and how they differed. I do like the picture Jennings has attached.

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      Post #73051, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Maybe Jennings could do that North Central scheme for the Roden kit.
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      Post #73053, posted on 08-05-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      What you have all observed in the photos I can confirm is correct, that is, it has the cowling and exhaust configuration of the 440, and some aircraft built as a 340 were converted to this configuration, but were still considered to be a 340 in production lists. There were other changes not so discernable in the 440 over the 340, such as the window pane mounting and engine mounts to reduce noise and vibration for improved passenger comfort, so who is to say which is which? I think the kit looks very nice generally and should make a very nice 340/440 model with a little of the skills most of you have in spades.

      The main landing gear axles are wrongly positioned under the oleo and should be offset to the front side, but the nose gear is correct with the axle offset to the rear. Be careful when working with the nose strut, it is thin and fragile!! Clear parts look nice, but there is some flash on the prop blades, horizontal stabs and the blunt nose, the radar nose is clean. In piecing the 2 noses on the fuselage, they both looked right to me, and if they are not, then they are pretty darn close! The rest of it looks nice with very fine recessed details and panel lines and the R-2800 engine fronts show the correct 9 cylinders. I'm pretty certain you won't find too much to complain about, especially the rivet counters, because there are none!

      I was quite surprised to find these kits at my LHS in Louisville today because I have not seen it available anywhere else online up to now. His normal marked price was $28.00, so it will be available soon for less at your usual outlets I'm sure.

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      Jeff Jarvis

      PS: This was a nice surprise as I left here on July 4th and was in Oshkosh (among other places) and just returned yesterday. This was my first visit to Oshkosh, and it will NOT be my last! WOW!! Awesome in every way, and my visit on the UPS 747-8F was just icing on the cake! It was parked nose in on Boeing Plaza with the nose and main deck cargo doors open, and my cousin George told them I was retired UPS, so we were invited up to the upper deck which contains a full galley, first class seats and a bunk room plus the cockpit. N616UP was brand new and only delivered less than 2 weeks previously. No wear marks anywhere to be seen!

      God's "Curse" to aviation!