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      Post #73642, posted on 10-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Mach 2 will release a 1/72 injected plastic VC10 at Telford.






      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73644, posted on 10-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Ugh. I'd really, really like to be excited, but Mach 2. Ugh.

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      Post #73645, posted on 10-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Jennings, you say the same thing year after year every time I publish something about Mach 2. This is getting boring.

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73646, posted on 10-29-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings, you say the same thing year after year every time I publish something about Mach 2. This is getting boring.



      It's getting boring in general. Not just in regards to Mach 2. Just saying honestly. I am sorry.

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      Post #73655, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      I'm glad they are because in the past, once they release something just about everyone wants, somebody else often comes out with a good one a bit later..... Not always mind you, but on occasion.....

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      Post #73659, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings, you say the same thing year after year every time I publish something about Mach 2. This is getting boring.



      It's getting boring in general. Not just in regards to Mach 2. Just saying honestly. I am sorry.



      And always complain and nag in advance.
      Any prejudices? Let's wait and see when the kit is out.
      Then you can judge it.
      Don't need to sorry.

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      Post #73660, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings, you say the same thing year after year every time I publish something about Mach 2. This is getting boring.



      It's getting boring in general. Not just in regards to Mach 2. Just saying honestly. I am sorry.



      And always complain and nag in advance.
      Any prejudices? Let's wait and see when the kit is out.
      Then you can judge it.
      Don't need to sorry.




      I had meant to say that I also find boring to read complaints and wise comments by a particular individual.
      I am actually quite thrilled that each year we get a plentiful of new airliner kits.

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      Post #73663, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Laurent,

      I agree 100%

      Happy release of the VC-10, despite of some premature criticism.......

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      Post #73664, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      I had meant to say that I also find boring to read complaints and wise comments by a particular individual.
      I am actually quite thrilled that each year we get a plentiful of new airliner kits.




      Think I've understood right what you meant.... 😉

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      Post #73666, posted on 10-30-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings, you say the same thing year after year every time I publish something about Mach 2. This is getting boring.



      That’s because they keep putting out crap kits. I’m really sorry if someone else’s opinion bothers you, but honestly, tough cookies. If you don’t Ike it, don’t read it.

      Seriously. Grow up.

      Jeez...

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      Post #73669, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      I’m really sorry if someone else’s opinion bothers you, but honestly, tough cookies. If you don’t Ike it, don’t read it.

      Seriously. Grow up.

      Jeez...



      My opinion about your behaviour is no less respectable than your opinion about someone else's kits and is in no way an indication that I need to "grow up".

      Looking forward to reading an honest "pros and cons" analysis of the kit instead of unfounded comments from some arrogant, self-proclaimed airliner modelling guru...

      This is my last post in this thread.

      Love,

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      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73670, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    



      My opinion about your behaviour is no less respectable than your opinion about someone else's kits and is in no way an indication that I need to "grow up".

      Looking forward to reading an honest "pros and cons" analysis of the kit instead of unfounded comments from some arrogant, self-proclaimed airliner modelling guru...

      This is my last post in this thread.

      Love,

      Laurent



      WORD.

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      Post #73671, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Here we go again, someone posts something interesting, Jennings gets all rude and personal or makes snide comments, the admins then probably delete the whole thing.

      I don't understand why someone who obviously knows a lot about modelling and aviation and has a lot to contribute (far more than most on here) is so often rude, personal and disparaging about others. It's really sad!.

      Someone makes a post then you shoot it down. I'd be p***ed if someone constantly did that to anything they don't like, maybe you should follow your own advice and move on without commenting or as you say grow up.

      People like you discourage others from posting.

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      Post #73672, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      "GROW UP"

      A true word! You should be able to expect that from an adult man and not from someone who behaves like a 3-year-old stubborn boy who does not get his sweets.

      That's my last comment about that.
      FILE CLOSED.

      ...and now let's go back to the topic.

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      Post #73681, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      "GROW UP"

      A true word! You should be able to expect that from an adult man and not from someone who behaves like a 3-year-old stubborn boy who does not get his sweets.

      That's my last comment about that.
      FILE CLOSED.

      ...and now let's go back to the topic.



      Hi,
      How RIGHT you ARE!!
      Let's keep this site clean of harassment - and keep focused on this fantastic hobby of ours!
      Kind regards,
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      Post #73682, posted on 10-31-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Agreed. We need respect and for everyone to act like an adult. Please don't make me ban anyone.

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      Post #73690, posted on 11-01-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I've been on the fence whether to go to Telford or not but there does seem some very interesting releases this year so maybe I'll make the 3 hour trip, dump the wife at the nearby shopping centre (helps when making secret model purchases) and see if this model is worth the money (whatever that is).

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      Post #73692, posted on 11-01-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Hey laurent,

      dont take the opinion of this guy seriously, to be honest, he has to always have the last word ;-) I love your kits and think its fantastic having somebody who makes those wonderful kits and give us the chance to build our dreams, and for sure, modelling means doing out of what we have! if its not perfect, improving changing, modifying and converting means modelling! keep the great job going on!

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      Post #73697, posted on 11-01-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Laurent-

      Have you (or anyone else here) laid eyes on this kit yet? I have the Anigrand resin kit that with mods I’d like to build up, but if the Mach 2 has better shape, etc. I’d be inclined to at a minimum engage in a kitbash...Built well this will be an amazing subject, in nearly any colors (tho I’m partial to the red/yellow RAE Bedford scheme...

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      Post #73709, posted on 11-02-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I got to know the Mach 2 folks while I was still writing for he "Captain's Log". They didn't have the development budget to compete with the likes of Revell and Hasegawa,. They knew that they couldn't stay around making yet another Fw190, so they designed models for someone who liked a particular subject and scale..... and at Mach 2 they liked 1/72 scale and airliners.

      If I were to chose a model to build easily, look accurate and fit well, I wouldn't chose Mach 2. However, if I were to chose a model kit based on appreciation of the subject, the Caravelle in 1/72 scale for example. Mach 2 kit will probably be the only one I will ever see in 1/72 scale.... but I also build vacuforms.

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      Post #73710, posted on 11-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      I love your kits and think its fantastic having somebody who makes those wonderful kits and give us the chance to build our dreams...



      Thank you Gaston. Just for the record, I don't run Mach 2. I run F-RSIN with another person. Mach 2 makes our moulds and produces our sprues from the masters we design. You can meet the three of us at Telford.



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      Have you (or anyone else here) laid eyes on this kit yet?



      I have seen the sprues and two built kits. I did not inspect them thoroughly, therefore I can only say the kit looks like a decent VC10 to me. Surely someone will publish a detailed review at some point.

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73711, posted on 11-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Laurent!

      Rarely (ever???) is one kit perfect, so I tend to pick up “one of each” and mix-and-match parts until I’m satisfied. This tells me all I need, so at least one of these kits will be heading my way.

      Many thanks!!!

      Rob in AK

      NB To whomever mentioned the Caravelle, we’re totally in agreement. It has its flaws, yes, but its a 1:72 Caravelle, and I doubt we’ll ever see another kit of the world’s first short-range airliner—with a DH Comet nose, no less! And if you want to be even more unique, how many pre-EADS French jets ever saw service here in the USA???

      Build on!

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      Post #73712, posted on 11-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello Laurent,

      not topic specific but....

      ...I really like your kits. Especially because these are partly rare airliners that nobody else has in the range. These "rare" airliners are my special passion. So here's my quiz question: How about a DC-4E? For me personally the absolute highlight! Somewhen in the (near) future - maybe?

      Cheers
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      Post #73713, posted on 11-03-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Thank you Sven!

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #73764, posted on 11-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for the photo! That should not be too difficult to reshape/recontour, particularly in comparison to Mach 2's Caravelle, which is the only Mach 2 model I've built to date. The clear part can be sanded and polished. The wings, with their dogtooth leading edge, are most suited to the RAF C.1K. As my preference is for a C.1K anyway, the model should be satisfactory. The hardest thing to modify would be wing airfoil shape and thickness.

      JAT = "Joke About Time" :pp

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      Post #73765, posted on 11-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Seriously? How exactly is completely rebuilding the nose and the windscreen "not too difficult"? And why should that be necessary? It's 2019. Accurate references are literally at your fingertips, and if you can't find them, help from any number of willing and knowledgeable people is just a click away. This looks like he worked from a written description of the VC10, not from any photo or drawing.

      To each his own I guess. He certainly won't be getting any of my money for an effort this awful.

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      Post #73768, posted on 11-09-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Dart Herald :That should not be too difficult to reshape/recontour



      Seriously? How exactly is completely rebuilding the nose and the windscreen "not too difficult"? And why should that be necessary? It's 2019. Accurate references are literally at your fingertips, and if you can't find them, help from any number of willing and knowledgeable people is just a click away. This looks like he worked from a written description of the VC10, not from any photo or drawing.

      To each his own I guess. He certainly won't be getting any of my money for an effort this awful.



      if this picture is a final shot, i have to say - you are so right.
      this is so emberassing. it is 2019 and a nose shape that is so off the real thing should be forbidden. what a waste of plastic...

      reshaping really should not be an option...

      Atari

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      Post #73771, posted on 11-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I saw it at Telford yesterday. Not really my scale but I might have been tempted.

      I looked at the nose and that door, and didn't bother looking at anything further back. And walked away.

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      Post #73774, posted on 11-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      I, too, will pass on this effort. I'm getting too old, (and underfinanced,) to purchase an inaccurate, high-priced model kit. There was a time when I would spend the time and effort correcting the gross mistakes of kits, but no more; the masochism is no longer appealing.

      -Dana

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      Post #73776, posted on 11-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Dana got the point.
      I already have too many masochism kits to build so I (must) skip this one.
      Though nobody has asked my opinion I say it straight: I'm disappointed.

      Br,

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      Post #73778, posted on 11-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      How can a kit end up "not looking its best"? Let us count the ways......

      Minicraft's history of hits, misses,strikeouts, and homeruns certainly comes to mind.

      Bad drawings, miscommunication, bad mold cutters, mold makers "improving" things? At some point there is also a point where a company may choose to release a kit anyway as more time/work spent will just cut into an ever shrinking profit margin.

      Not making excuses for any kit but also sharing that there are many ways a kit won't turn out the way that modelers hope for. Sadly nothing new in the history of plastic model airliners.

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      Post #73780, posted on 11-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      And there you have it.

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      Post #74014, posted on 12-10-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      The kit now comes with an updated cockpit part.

      So many planes, so little time ...

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      Post #74015, posted on 12-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      The kit now comes with an updated cockpit part.



      That's great news Laurent - I will for sure purchase one now.

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      Post #74021, posted on 12-11-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      That can’t fix the entire nose, nor the landing gear that’s about 50% too tall.

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      Post #74060, posted on 12-16-2019 GMT-5 hours    
      Laurent, for those of us that have already purchased the Mach2 VC10. As I did at SMW , is there a way of obtaining the revised cockpit part ?.

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      Post #74062, posted on 12-17-2019 GMT-5 hours    
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      Laurent, for those of us that have already purchased the Mach2 VC10. As I did at SMW , is there a way of obtaining the revised cockpit part ?.



      Yes. Send Didier an email: dpalix@9online.fr

      Laurent

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      Post #74174, posted on 01-06-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      All this time, I was trying to be positive and civil in regards to 1/72 VC-10 by Mach 2. After I have visited their website, I am left speachless. I am appalled by the fact that in 2020., someone who should care about the presentation of their product has not only a 1997 website, but on that same website, there is not even a mention of 1/72 VC-10, is beyond belief. I am sorry, but I had to say this. Unbelievable.

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      Post #74186, posted on 01-08-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Be careful.

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      Post #74192, posted on 01-12-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      All this time, I was trying to be positive and civil in regards to 1/72 VC-10 by Mach 2. After I have visited their website, I am left speachless. I am appalled by the fact that in 2020., someone who should care about the presentation of their product has not only a 1997 website, but on that same website, there is not even a mention of 1/72 VC-10, is beyond belief. I am sorry, but I had to say this. Unbelievable.



      I think that's easy for those of us in marketing and product to say. My guess is that it's a small outfit that simply lacks the capacity to update their site, no more, no less. What I find unbelievable is the awful UX of the self-checkout machines at grocery stores, those organizations really have no excuse....

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      I think that's easy for those of us in marketing and product to say. My guess is that it's a small outfit that simply lacks the capacity to update their site, no more, no less. What I find unbelievable is the awful UX of the self-checkout machines at grocery stores, those organizations really have no excuse....



      True, I understand to a degree. I appreciate the innovation in a fact that a new product has been launched. I shared my thoughts because I care about this brand and was hoping that the owners would take this as a form of my small contribution/help as far as the user experience - I am sure that I am not the only one who thinks this. Get a web developer (outsource a student) - India (?!), update a site for $1000 to $2000. This is not the Amazon site that needs huge resources and time, such as an army of developers, SEO and Goodle ADs experts. In 2020. you simply can't have a site that looks like a primary grade student did it in 1997. Sorry, but that's the plain truth.

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      Post #74194, posted on 01-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Perhaps they don't have $1000-$2000.

      Jeff