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      Post #75578, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/delta-hints-job-cuts-retires-boeing-777-215926788.html

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      Post #75582, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      It will be interesting to see how many fleet types don't come back for various airlines around the world. Other than freighters, I'm especially curious how many 747 fleets will survive this. One that has surprised me has been the E190 fleets that have been retired. I know there are some unique circumstances to some of those carriers, but a smaller type like that would seem to have more going for it with the new normal than many of the widebodies.

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      Post #75583, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      The E190 retirement at AA surprised me as well. Five types are getting retired at AA and a few at Delta. Haven't heard anything about United fleet changes, but my guess is most airlines will be about 30-40% smaller in about a year.

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      Post #75586, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      The 777 parking surprised me at first but after some reflection maybe not so far fetched. 777's first entered service 15 years ago in 1995. I still think of them as new. I think the phenomena is similar to what happened after 9/11. We knew that 727's were already on the way out but after 9/11 poof they were gone.


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      Post #75587, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hey Ken,

      I don't want you to feel old, but 1995 was tewnty-five! years ago, not 15. Delta's -200s joined the fleet 21 years ago in '99.

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      Post #75588, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      But the -200LRs' are not as old as the -200ERs'. So the Delta 777s will join Delta's MD88s/MD90s in permanent retirement in the desert along with American's 757s, 767s, E-190s and A330s - both -200 and -300s.

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      Post #75589, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      LOL about the 25 years in service for the 777. I re-counted the years on my fingers and yes it has been 25 :-)

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      Post #75590, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      747s retired at KLM, Virgin and Qantas. I don't think they are likely to, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lufthansa parks their 747-400s for good if the Int'l travel situation is as dire for as long as some predictions indicate.

      Don't feel bad Ken, it doesn't even seem like 15 years ago when I was out at the fancy new Denver Int'l Airport marveling at the shiny new United 777s. Was out there for Flight Engineer Initial (we used United's Stapleton Training Center at that time) in the Fall of 1996. I was so impressed by the United Triples that when we finagled a rental car, I made my co-workers take me to Colpar Hobbies, where I proceeded to buy a set of the Liveries Unlimited UAL decals, and a Hasegawa kit to put them on.

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      Post #75594, posted on 05-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      It seems like only a few minutes ago the 777 was the newest and greatest thing in the skies, the star of its own documentary series on PBS (and tie-in book), and the last word in commercial aircraft. Ralph has memories of looking down the ramp at Fort Lauderdale International Airport, where he worked at the time, and seeing one of the first 777s there for testing in hot/tropical weather conditions. I also think he said there was a C-97 on a nearby ramp when all this was happening, too, which made for an interesting instant history of postwar Boeing products.

      I think we mourn not only the retirement of a type, but the realization of how much time has passed, and how much older we all are now. It certainly doesn't seem like a quarter-century has passed, does it?

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      Post #75596, posted on 05-20-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Yeah, I remember seeing my first 777 as well, didn't know what it was at first because my spotter book had no reference of it.

      It's weird that Delta got such a small 777 fleet, given their current size it certainly made them oddballs. The split engine fleet didn't help that dynamic either.

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      Post #75597, posted on 05-20-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Watching 777-200's get chopped at Goodyear and Marana is a bit of a shocker. Right now an Air Ukraine Int'l has it's tail off at GYR, and there are five ex Singapore -200's on the fields. These might return to service, they are still intact with engines (and Boeing reges). There are two early Cathay Pacific 200's still at Marana, plus of course one preserved at the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson. Scrapped over the last few years at Goodyear are a Nordwind 200, Emirates 300 Orenair 200 (2). Interestingly, an ex Malaysian 200 passed through GYR going to Delta not so long ago.

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      Post #75617, posted on 05-22-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Iím glad you mentioned the PBS series, Jodie. I can remember watching that with my Dad on VHS. In fact, as I recall we visited the plant in Oct 1994 and on the tour saw the number 1 aircraft. A lot has been written about Alan Mulaly and the positive culture which appeared to follow him from Boeing to Ford. The 777 represents a pinnacle achievement IMHO, but of course nothing lasts forever, especially in business.

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