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      Post #76333, posted on 07-23-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello everyone,
      So I am currently working on Revell A310 in BCAL,(thanks Ray for the kit), then onto a Revell 747-400 Delta Airlines.
      No my question. This will be my first time building the EE L1011 kit. What are it's and weak points? Would like some info before I dive into this kit. Could be Eastern airlines markings on this one.

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      Post #76334, posted on 07-23-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      First step is to buy a pack of 150/250/600 grit sandpaper!

      The EE L-1011 kit is a bit challenging. The first thing is make sure that you get the forward and aft fuselage halves glued together well before trying to put the two halves together. Use a flat table and use masking tape to hold the two pieces in place while it drys. I reinforce the inside seem a bit so that when you start sanding it, and there will be a lot of sanding, it will not come apart.

      There are no locator pins to speak of so getting the fuselage halves, engine halves, and the wings glued together correctly is challenging. Ie...more sanding. I like to scribe a cut around the rear doors so that when you sand off the doors, and yes you will, you can still locate them for the door decal later.

      The good news is that the kit builds out nicely if you can manage all of the above. If you are doing the Delta L-1011 the kit builds into an early L-1011-100/200. Delta never flew those engines so you either need to get the after market engines or do a livery with the early engines if that kind of thing matters to you. On my first one, I completed the kit out of the box as a Delta jet before I figured that out. I have done two EE L1011(Delta & TWA) and one L-1011-500 (Pan Am) with one more L-1011-500 to go(ATA).

      Good luck,

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      Post #76336, posted on 07-23-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks. That helps.

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      Post #76340, posted on 07-24-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Delta's early L-1011s did have the engines provided in the EE kit. Find some delivery photos and you can see those engines.

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      Post #76342, posted on 07-24-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Guess I never found the delivery pis of N721DA. Good to know though.

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      Post #76343, posted on 07-25-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Do a google search for N704DA and you will see a right rear quarter shot the shows the engines well. Also notice how the white comes further down the nose and the all white engine nacelles.

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      Post #76346, posted on 07-25-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      One bit of Delta TriStar information I do have: the "Frisbee fairing" was present on N730DA-onward. Delta did not retrofit the older aircraft. (Source: I flew on 729 in April 2000 and noted the difference.)

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      Post #76349, posted on 07-26-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      True - it was an option that DL did not add to all of their L10s, however TW did make that change to all of their L10s.

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      Post #76350, posted on 07-26-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Some great technical inputs here - never knew the different angles of hot section after bodies
      Subjective. But for me the early hot sections just look cumbersome. The super rare interim just looks vile (sadly as per otherwise lovely HGWA kit)only remember that on a few Worldways Canada and in the mid 1990s number 2 position on an Air Atlanta ex Cathay aircraft.
      For most of us, the later shorter after body looks miles better, pert and neat. I've modified numerous Doyusha (100), Otaki (144) and HGWA (200) kits n engines for free. In all cases, simply shave off the thrust reverser rails (Otaki / Doyusha /Entex /Nitto), carve out the shroud housing inside the back of the nacelle, and literally move the hot section further back in the nacelle and wedge / glue against the side of the carved out aperture. Move to your discretion and expertise / experience. Once wedged in, glue together as normal. Fairing connecting shortened after body to pylon. Use Tamiya yellow masking tape and cut to shape and lay over top of hot section and pylon. Paint accordingly
      Trust me it works, costs you nothing and regardless of scale - neither you, nor anyone else will notice the tiny degree differences whether it's 100/144/200 scale. DO NOT shorten an existing long after-body and glue in existing locator as you end up with a bake bean can exhaust and it makes the best looking W/B look awful

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      Post #76359, posted on 07-27-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      This is all very interesting. Thank you.

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      Post #76376, posted on 07-28-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      If you are going to build a Delta L-1011 Tristar, it is completely up to you how to proceed with engine nacelle color as there are several combinations out there.

      They did initially fly L-1011-1s with RB211-22c engines which are the original engines with spikes at the top and bottom [hot stream spoiler]. These were painted all white - up to about N710DA, delivered in 1974.

      Starting in 1974/1975 (this is when N712DA was produced and wanted to transpose the decal numbers), L-1011s were fitted with the RB211-22b which utilized the 11 degree afterbody, and hence the deletion of those spikes. Every picture of L10s I found taken in Palmdale and of -1s delivered in 1975 had those engines. It seems as though in late 1975, Delta started leaving the aft cowling polished aluminum, but many times left the #2 cowling white until updated to a 15 degree afterbody.

      When the RB211-524 was developed with the 15 degree afterbody, this too was used on further -22b engines and the aft cowlings were polished aluminum. So starting in 1975/1976 you can find pictures of DL L10s with a combination of engines and cowlings. For example, I found one picture of N712DA that had a 15 degree afterbody #1 with mostly white cowling, a #2 11 degree afterbody with all white cowling, and the #3 15 degree afterbody with half white half polished aluminum. Also found a picture of an Eastern L10 with 11 degree #1 and #3 and a #2 -22c engine (original hot section).

      So by the time it got to N721DA in 1976, I would have expected it to fly out of PMD with 11 degree afterbody RB211-22b engines and a half white half polished aluminum cowling. There is a chance (emphasis “chance”) as the -200 was starting to be delivered around the same time, a 15 degree afterbody exhaust was installed.

      Hopefully this doesn’t make a modeling decision worse, but to emphasize you can paint it how it looks best to you. Especially since by the early 80s all of Delta L-1011s had the 15 degree afterbody exhaust.