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      Post #76738, posted on 10-12-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi there,

      My goal is to make a 1990's Canadian Airlines 747-400 plastic model in 1:200 scale, but I don't think anyone is making or selling this exact thing. So I started learning about modelling two days ago.

      I impulsively bought a Skymarks Delta Airlines 747-400, with the intent of stripping the existing livery and colours and replacing them with the Canadian Airlines livery. Even the white background will be changed to light grey. The problem is I imagine that I will lose the position of all the decal windows and doors. Even if I try to mark them in their current positions, I'll lose all those markings when I wash the livery off. But when I look closely at the Skymarks, the cabin window decals on the lower level seem 1-2mm too low.

      Then I just thought to myself: why didn't I just buy a 747-400 construction kit? Maybe one from Hasegawa. Do the unpainted kits come with markings for their windows, doors, cargo doors, panels, and other markings like sensors? Are their windows, doors and other surface features accurately positioned? I've seen forums where people ordered construction kits only to fill in the windows and replace them with new window decals anyways. Furthermore, I'd have to learn how to putty with the construction kit, whereas I assume that I don't have to putty for the Skymarks model. I also saw pictures of a construction kit, and it's not clear to me if the landing gear will roll like on a prebuilt Skymarks model.

      Thoughts on which option would be less effort on my part? I'm totally ok if the final result is Skymarks quality anyways, like opaque decal windows, simple engine pieces, gussetted/solid landing gear frames instead of trusses, etc. Almost toylike even is fine by me, so long as the overall shapes of the fuselage and wings are accurate.

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      Post #76740, posted on 10-12-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Welcome to the forum! To address your question, there's a few things to consider:

      1. The Delta 747-400s had PW engines, while the Canadian ones had GE, so the engine shape will be a bit off. Not sure if that's a big deal for you, but if so, I'd recommend going with Hasegawa.
      2. The Hasegawa kit will be more detailed, but likely also more work. It's got sensors, doors, panels, the whole shebang. On the Skymark model you could probably just strip and redo the fuselage and winglets without too much fuss.

      If you want to preserve the door outlines after stripping the model, I'd recommend outlining them with tape and then softly scribing them with a panel line scriber, then sanding the old color off and redoing the paint and decals and using the scribed doors as reference.

      If you need a Hasegawa kit with the GE engines, I know someone who's got an extra.

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      Post #76741, posted on 10-12-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Thank you LH707. I haven't considered scribing before, so I'll give that a try.

      The engines on the skymarks I bought look pretty rudimentary. I've tried googling GE vs PW and still cannot visually tell the difference by their shapes alone. The only 747 engine I could differentiate is Rolls Royce.

      Could you tell from my photo if my skymarks model engines can pass for GE? I could see from preview photos of skymarks models that their rolls Royce engines don't have the exhaust cone protruding out the rear, but I wonder if skymarks puts effort into differentiating GE vs PW. If my engines are obviously not GE, well, then I guess I have some PW's to barter.


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      Post #76742, posted on 10-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Louie,
      My .02 but build/collect for yourself. Yes a model will look better with putty/sanding but if it is your first one don't worry/sweat about it. You decide. Painting/decaling the new markings on the Skymarks model won't be super easy.

      I've been building for decades and try to do a little better job on each model I finish.

      I was thinking a diecast might be the way for you to go but the 1/200 ones sure are expensive. Found a 1/400 one for $30ish at an antique website.

      "Someone" must have made a Skymark style Canadian 747. Finding it could be your challenge.

      Ken

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      Post #76747, posted on 10-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Louie, those actually look like a pretty good match for the GE engines, my guess is Skymarks figured most people wouldn't notice, or were not aware themselves. Happens all the time in models, there's always something you notice that needs fixing, and then you decide how much it's worth to you. Even the great masters have things to learn. Regarding the GE/PW differences, I put together a slapdash comparison:



      1. The GE has a perfect cone-shaped core, where the PW has a somewhat kinked shape
      2. The GE nacelle is noticeably longer than it is tall, while the PW is more squarish
      3. The GE has a deeper fan lip
      4. The GE has the cooling louvre on the starboard side, PW port (think "Pratt on Port")



      5. The Pratt is dripping oil, and the GE has burned it all off already

      Hope this helps.

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      Post #76748, posted on 10-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      LH707

      Looks like Skymarks mistake works in my favour. Straight cone, longish nacelle. Thanks again!

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      Post #76751, posted on 10-14-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hey Louie!

      Have you seen these decals selling on eBay?

      1/200 Canadian Airlines 747-400 decals for Hasegawa kit

      You could use these to redecorate a snap-together desk model if you're not up to building a Hasegawa kit.

      Drawdecal makes decals for windows:
      https://www.shopdrawdecal.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=20%2D747%2D18A

      and coroguard panels:
      https://www.shopdrawdecal.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=747+coroguard&Submit=Search

      Cheers!

      Scott Garard
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      Post #76761, posted on 10-15-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Yep, you can grab those decals and have a blast building and/or painting. I've found the group here to be incredibly helpful with recommendations over the years, so whichever way you choose, holler if you need any help with it.

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      Post #76772, posted on 10-15-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Scotty! Thanks! I just placed my orders yesterday.