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      Post #77096, posted on 12-09-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi everyone,

      I received my copy of EE B-747SP on Saturday after only 10 days of purchasing it from eBay. Iím really disappointed because the nose and the hump are wrong. The wings have big gaps that needs to be filled with lots of sheet styrene and expect lots of puttying and sanding. The surface detail is really good but everything else is more of the same. I canít imagine I wasted so much money. 😡😡😡

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      Post #77098, posted on 12-09-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Nooooooooooooooo!

      Thanks for the review though. Still happy that 2 kit makers have recently tackled this obscure subject for us.

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      Post #77101, posted on 12-09-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Disappointing to read of those basic kit flaws. For the price of the kit one hopes for better quality.
      Thanks, Ray, for sharing your observations of this long awaited kit.

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      Post #77102, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Wrong in what way(s)?

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      Post #77103, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Is this just a text review or we will see some photos in addition to your words?
      It's just one of those kits we've all been waiting for. Anyway I'm looking forward to my kit.

      I remembered an anecdote.
      Two friends are talking.
      -"Everybody says: Caruso! Caruso!" I listened too - so, nothing special"
      - "Did you hear Caruso ?!"
      - "No. Rabinovich sang for me."

      P.S. I do not want to shield or blame anyone.

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      Post #77104, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      Hi everyone,

      I received my copy of EE B-747SP on Saturday after only 10 days of purchasing it from eBay. Iím really disappointed because the nose and the hump are wrong. The wings have big gaps that needs to be filled with lots of sheet styrene and expect lots of puttying and sanding. The surface detail is really good but everything else is more of the same. I canít imagine I wasted so much money. 😡😡😡

      Ray



      Thats why I never rush out to buy EE kits until I have looked at the reviews. Just like the A310 kit. 😩
      With the price of them I'll just stick with Kurt's AA kits. 😎

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      Post #77105, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      I am impatient to see what is wrong with the nose, in the worse case I will graft another more accurate nose on it.

      I made the false reasoning that this 747SP would display the same moulding quality and design ideas from that of the MD-11 but then I forgot the MD-11 was tooled by MikroMir (even if also marketed by EE) which, IMHO, has an edge over Eastern Express.

      Still happy to order it, I will wait for 26's better deal.

      Cheers, Stephane

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      Post #77106, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm among those who would really like to see some photos of the areas at issue here, and some comparisons of the shape issues to drawings or other documentation. I'd like to know if this is a "your mileage may vary" issue, if the assembly issues might be solved through altered techniques, or if EE really did mess this one up. In any event - yes, pictures, please.

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      Post #77107, posted on 12-10-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Iíll be more than happy to up load some photos but only if someone could guide me through with step by step which I really appreciate it.

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      Post #77109, posted on 12-11-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      @Ray

      if you have a hard time to upload images here I could offer to assist:

      1) You send me the images you want to show by email: mail@christianklepp.com
      2) I upload them to the web
      3) I send back links to you
      4) You just copy / paste the links into your text. Done.

      While I go with the AA 747SPs in any case, looking forward to new screen printed 26 decals, I am more than interested as well what the EE issues are with this kit.

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      Post #77113, posted on 12-11-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Christian,

      Thank you so much Iíll send you those photos ASAP. Take care and be safe.

      Best wishes
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      Post #77119, posted on 12-12-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Ray:

      Show your work. I seek proof.

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      Post #77120, posted on 12-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      Ray:

      Show your work. I seek proof.

      david



      I concur. I would like to see exactly what the issues are with this kit. We seem to go through this with each EE release . . . . first build-up of excitement at the release of a much requested subject. Then we see the test shots and they - for the most part - look good. Then the kits are released and we hear the griping over the price of the kit. Then someone receives the kit and posts how it has this flaw and that flaw. Then follows the inevitable - " I'll wait and purchase one of Kurt's models ". Wash-rinse-spin . . . . repeat cycle. I would like to see pictures of this model to judge for myself if the 'flaws' are enough to deter me from making a purchase of this EE 747SP.

      I do like their MD-80 and MD-87 kits - certainly an improvement over the Minicraft MD-80s.

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      Post #77121, posted on 12-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Over at Britmodeller.com, there's a well-respected guy who's finding that the nose and hump match the Revell 747-8F shapes.
      See here

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      Post #77122, posted on 12-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      Wash-rinse-spin . . . . repeat cycle. I would like to see pictures of this model to judge for myself if the 'flaws' are enough to deter me from making a purchase of this EE 747SP.


      Totally agree with you, nothing to add.

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      Over at Britmodeller.com, there's a well-respected guy who's finding that the nose and hump match the Revell 747-8F shapes.
      See here


      Thanks for the link, I got answers to almost all of my questions.

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      Post #77123, posted on 12-13-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      Over at Britmodeller.com, there's a well-respected guy who's finding that the nose and hump match the Revell 747-8F shapes.
      See here



      Thanks for the link. Looks interesting. I'll be sure to follow the assembly and note the modeler's comments on what to pay attention to. I am not expecting this to be a perfect model, but then part of being a plastic modeler is accepting the challenges that come with assembling these kits.

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      Post #77125, posted on 12-14-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      From BM:

      "I wouldn't worry too much about what is said on Airliner Cafe. I left it about a year ago because I couldn't stand the attitude of some of the members who try to give the impression of knowing a lot more than they really do."

      That's pretty rich, given where it was posted....


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      Post #77126, posted on 12-14-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      For the record, I did the master drawings that Revell used for their -8F. When the kit first came out, I posted here that there was a (to my mind) fairly significant error in the fuselage. It got in there on my drawings because there is a Boeing tech manual station diagram that has incorrect information in it (I got that confirmed by a Boeing tech rep, and it has since been corrected). That causes the Revell kit's main constant section fuselage diameter to be 12 scale inches too large. The waterline dimension quoted for the top of the constant section (aft of the hump) was 12" too high, and that's what I used for my drawing. I found out about it after metal had already been cut at Revell, and they weren't willing to change it. What that means is that the aft end of the hump is also 12" too high. The rest of the nose is correct. Granted, it's only a shade over 2 mm too big, but it's still too big. And if EE's matches Revell's, then we know something about EE.

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      Post #77128, posted on 12-14-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Perhaps these extracts from Boeing 747/747SP Reference Guide D6-60093 dated January 1976 will be useful, as it predates the introduction of the -8/-8F. Structural drawings have been scaled to 1/144.

      General Arrangement 747SP by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Body Diagram 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747 C:L Wing Diagram 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747 C:L Vertical Stabilizer 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Vertical Fin 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747 C:L Horizontal Stabilizer 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Horiz Tail Layout 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747 Main Landing Gear 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747 Nose Landing Gear by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Lower Antenna Locations by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Upper Antenna Locations by SkyKing918, on Flickr

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      Post #77131, posted on 12-15-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Boeing station diagrams are NOT in ANY way useful for determining shapes. They are useful for dimensions ONLY, and as I pointed out above, and in the words of Ronald Reagan: trust but verify. They have been known to contain errors, sometimes egregious errors. Not saying these do, but the 747-8 wasn't the only set that I've come across that did have errors. And honestly, you sometimes need to learn how to read them to get much out of them when it comes to determining what's accurate or not on a model.

      Note that on these SP station diagrams, nowhere does it tell you the waterline location of the top of the constant section of the fuselage.

      Also, station diagrams give you no information on 3D shapes. They are for determining locations of things on the airplane in the X, Y, and Z axes only. They tell you nothing about the external shape.

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      Post #77135, posted on 12-15-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Jennings is quite correct about station diagrams. However, they are better than nothing.

      For some reason, I overlooked a couple of drawings which I will post here later. One shows a typical cross section through the body constant section; the top of the fuselage is shown at WL 358.75, the bottom at WL 91. This section is the same for both the 747 and 747SP.

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      Post #77144, posted on 12-16-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      As promised, here are the additional drawings, both scaled to 1/144.

      747 Constant Section X-Section 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      747SP Wing Structure Diagram 1-144 by SkyKing918, on Flickr

      The fuselage cross-section is the same for both 747 and 747SP body constant sections. Looking at the 747SP wing structure diagram, I can't see any significant differences between it and the 747 wing.

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      Post #77145, posted on 12-17-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      In the beginning the quality of the EE kits was really poor if not to say hideous.
      It has gotten significantly better in recent years and in some cases even excellent.
      Unfortunately, they have also increased the prices enormously!

      I was really looking forward to the 747SP.
      Whether I am willing to spend over 80, - Ä for it (or 77, - Ä for the A310 or about 30, - Ä for a tiny F27)
      I still have to think hard.
      I think EE's prices are almost usury for an injection moulded mass product.

      Anyway, I looked at the photos at britmodeller.com and found the kit well done.
      When comparing the nose sections I don't see any difference.
      https://i.ibb.co/BC1vZ6G/20201212-131451.jpg


      But my demands on a 100% exact downscaled clone of an original are not that high anyway.

      My favorite thing is the photo with the modeler cat inspecting the parts
      https://i.ibb.co/YRxDtww/20201211-112848.jpg
      😂😂😂👍

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      Post #77146, posted on 12-17-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      Hi Christian,

      Thank you so much Iíll send you those photos ASAP. Take care and be safe.

      Best wishes
      Ray


      Maybe I missed something in this thread but did you get around to posting photos of the kit errors?
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      Post #77147, posted on 12-17-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Frank,

      in the meantime Ray send me three of his images (of which I have no intuitive understanding what they will show us) and sent back the ready to go links to him. We will have to wait until he posts them along with his findings.

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      Post #77150, posted on 12-18-2020 GMT-5 hours    
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      For the record, I did the master drawings that Revell used for their -8F. When the kit first came out, I posted here that there was a (to my mind) fairly significant error in the fuselage. It got in there on my drawings because there is a Boeing tech manual station diagram that has incorrect information in it (I got that confirmed by a Boeing tech rep, and it has since been corrected). That causes the Revell kit's main constant section fuselage diameter to be 12 scale inches too large. The waterline dimension quoted for the top of the constant section (aft of the hump) was 12" too high, and that's what I used for my drawing. I found out about it after metal had already been cut at Revell, and they weren't willing to change it. What that means is that the aft end of the hump is also 12" too high. The rest of the nose is correct. Granted, it's only a shade over 2 mm too big, but it's still too big. And if EE's matches Revell's, then we know something about EE.



      Is the same thing true of the 747-8i kit as well?

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      Post #77153, posted on 12-18-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      I have to assume so. Iíve never held that one in my hands.

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      Post #77162, posted on 12-19-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      Cool, thanks!

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      Post #77201, posted on 12-26-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      So, basically, according to this review, this 747SP kit has an all wrong nose and hump because they match Revell's 747-8F kit nose and hump ?

      Cheers, Stephane

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      Post #77207, posted on 12-27-2020 GMT-5 hours    
      I won't loose any sleep over a 2mm alleged error having waited 40+ years for an IM B747SP . I have an AA example , but I won't be buying 3 . So the EE example will have to be good enough as I very much doubt anyone else will be doing one soon.

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      Post #77305, posted on 01-05-2021 GMT-5 hours    
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      I won't loose any sleep over a 2mm alleged error having waited 40+ years for an IM B747SP .



      While in general I donít disagree with you, itís not always just a matter of a raw number. That 2 mm difference makes a huge difference in the shapes and proportions that it applies to. If the fuselage was 2mm too long or short, no human eyeball could possibly discern that difference. But when you blow up the constant fuselage section by 2 mm, it throws off the entire look of the way the fuselage appears to the eye.

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      Post #77716, posted on 03-01-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      EE 747SPs are starting to get finished, and to my eye they sure look nice.

      -d-

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      Post #77727, posted on 03-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Well guys I don't see anyone talking about the price for this kit. ( $100.00 ) in most places. For me that's way over the top for 1/144 kit. If I find I can't live without a SP I will cut down a old kit. For those who build it , good luck!

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      Post #77728, posted on 03-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      at 26decals, you get one for 70Ä incl. Aerolinas Argentinas Decals.

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      Post #77729, posted on 03-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      >$100.00 ) in most places. For me that's way over the top for 1/144 kit

      I absolutely agree. I bought one anyway because Iím weak, but I wonít buy another unless itís 50% less. Iím just going to finish my Welsh SP kit instead and build it alongside the Eastern Express in order to match up the shapes. Luckily I bought mine from 26 so at least it came with a quality decal.

      Best regards....Duncan

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      Post #77732, posted on 03-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm weak too. Purchased mine from 26 and it included Braniff International decals.

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      Post #77735, posted on 03-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Welsh models has SP kits. His kits always good for me.

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      Post #77739, posted on 03-04-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Never got models for EE. With all respect for they work, prices are ridiculous.

      Got 1 Braniff with a amazing decal sheet from 26 and that's all from EE SP's. all another 3 are Welsh.

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