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Post #26199, posted on 02-13-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Ok.
For me it looks like that it will be still ok to use the Revell one....

Anything I missed ?

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I don't know about you, but for me it is almost impossible to find a Revell 767, which I think is an excellent kit. If the Zvesda kit is just as good, or hopefully better (hard to tell in those pics) and it is more readily available, count me as a buyer

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Post #26201, posted on 02-13-2009 GMT-5 hours    
If it has either P&W or GE engines, I'd buy one. Revell's engines are a mish-mash of the two types, and accurate for neither. Also, Revell's kit is a straight 767-300 (not an ER). There were only a few of that type built, the HUGE majority being ER's with the larger forward baggage hatch. Revell's window/door arrangement is also the least common of all the types available on the 767. Add to that the mysterious depression where the horizontal stabs attach that's not on a real 767 and I'd say the case for the Zvezda kit (much as I would have preferred any Soviet airliner) is pretty good.

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Post #26206, posted on 02-13-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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I don't know about you, but for me it is almost impossible to find a Revell 767, which I think is an excellent kit. If the Zvesda kit is just as good, or hopefully better (hard to tell in those pics) and it is more readily available, count me as a buyer



Hopefully they make a 767-2 also. I'm otherwise happy with my Revells.

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Post #26226, posted on 02-15-2009 GMT-5 hours    
The model in those photos seems to me like the Revell one. The engines certainly look the same 'neither one nor the other' type and the wing leading edge inboard of the engines has that same bluntness that doesn't seem quite right to my eyes.

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Post #26229, posted on 02-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
In regards to jennings posting, unless I have forgotten something(which the old mind does) there was no external difference between the 767-300 and the 767-300ER. the changes were all internal and included extra fuel tanks and a hydraulic driven electrical generator. So don't be concerned as to designation of -300 and -300ER. If I am wrong then all my years of being an aircraft avionics mechanic have failed me. Stuff happens.

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Post #26234, posted on 02-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
The Area above the windscreen looks a bit strange to me. I'm having flashbacks to an IL-86.
That's not the Revell nose, or what do you think? And it looks like that the wing fuselage joint is not like the Revell, it looks to me like the kind of MC757 wing joint.

If I would have to decide between Revell and Zvezda kit from this Pictures, I would take the Revell kit.

Which weak points had the Revell kit in accuracy (except the engines)??

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Post #26248, posted on 02-18-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Latest rumours from Zvezda: "We expecting B-767 kit on the shelves end-February - early-March 2009"

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Post #26260, posted on 02-18-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Latest rumours from Zvezda: "We expecting B-767 kit on the shelves end-February - early-March 2009"



Great stuff!!! I will buy 10 of them!

I like the look of this model, I think the engines look a lot better than the Revell ones. Would be nice if they included markers on the inside of the fuselage to shorten to a -200 although I know it won't be that hard to do anyway.

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Post #26295, posted on 02-20-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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If it has either P&W or GE engines, I'd buy one. Revell's engines are a mish-mash of the two types, and accurate for neither. Also, Revell's kit is a straight 767-300 (not an ER). There were only a few of that type built, the HUGE majority being ER's with the larger forward baggage hatch. Revell's window/door arrangement is also the least common of all the types available on the 767. Add to that the mysterious depression where the horizontal stabs attach that's not on a real 767 and I'd say the case for the Zvezda kit (much as I would have preferred any Soviet airliner) is pretty good.

J



Correct P&W and / or GE engines may be orderd by BraZ. There's no significant external difference between the regular 767-300 and the 767-300ER with exception of the forward cargo hatch maybe. The differences were the larger fuel tanks and the increased take-off weight of the -ER version but this isn't visible from outside. The window / door arrangement differs from airline to airline which you desire to display and can easily changed on the Revell -767 as well as the larger cargo hatch. By the way a few regular 767-300 were also equipped with the larger cargo door. At least some ships of ASIANA, AMERICAN & SHANGHAI AIRLINES.
These all didn't persuade me to prefer the ZVEZDA -767 much rather than Revell's or to buy one if there isn't something more.
But let's see when the ZVEZDA kit is on the market...

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Post #26345, posted on 02-26-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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In regards to jennings posting, unless I have forgotten something(which the old mind does) there was no external difference between the 767-300 and the 767-300ER.



The -300ER has a much larger and slightly relocated fwd baggage compartment door. It matches the long rectangular aft door.

Besides that, there are the too-big cabin windows, the oddball (very rare) cabin door/window/hatch arrangement, and the odd depression that the horizontal stab sits in. That's not on any 767 that I've ever seen...

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Post #26356, posted on 02-27-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Original statement from AHS:

Latest News:

The Zvezda Boeing 767-300 kit is expected to arrive late April 2009. Decal is apparently for the current Aeroflot scheme, and Boeing's 'house' scheme. The kit is coming with GE CF6 engines. See ZVE-7005.


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Post #26363, posted on 02-28-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Hmmm, I'd have to disagree on the depression around the horizontal stabilizer area. It is definitely there, it's just not as prominently chiseled out as the Revell kit. Check out these photos:

http://www.airlinerdb.com/photo_147.details.large

http://www.airlinerdb.com/photo_5453.details.large

Also, I think the front cargo door is an option. You can have it either way. It depends on what kinds of igloos the airline's flying around.

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Post #26364, posted on 02-28-2009 GMT-5 hours    
I always believed the forward cargo door was an option, mostly so the aircraft could take a standard pallett, rather than just containers, even the Qantas -200's had the larger forward door, as belly cargo has always been a major Qantas requirement.
[img][/img] 61-fuelage nose stbd.jpg

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Post #26374, posted on 03-01-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Jennings, I think Ahmed is right. I studied the tail of Boeing's 767-400 demonstrator at Farnborough in 2002. The hollow was prominent in both plan and elevation.

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Post #26697, posted on 03-27-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Apologize to pull this up, but is there any new news on when this kit is coming out? End of March?

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Post #26706, posted on 03-28-2009 GMT-5 hours    
This model is expected today- tomorrow. I think we'll see it within couple weeks

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Post #26726, posted on 03-30-2009 GMT-5 hours    
One of Russian Airliner Model SIG members already got this kit for a test built. He can not post photos because of a contract obligations, but he said that:
1. Landing gear even had a separate brakes on the wheels
2. Wing to fuselage joint is "nice and made in an unusual way"
3. Plastic parts are "very thin"
4. Decals are Aeroflot Invicta and Boeing House colors
5. Drawings for this kit was licensed by Boeing

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Post #26727, posted on 03-30-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Great. Looking forward to it. One of my favorite planes...

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Post #26748, posted on 04-01-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Guys

I've heard it is just a Re pop of the Revell kit.

Nice but not really a big deal other than the Revell kit being out of production.

I'm looking forward to it.

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Post #26753, posted on 04-01-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Hi Guys

I've heard it is just a Re pop of the Revell kit.




Can anyone else confirm this?!! I am actually happy to hear that for various reasons.

(We need LAN Chile decals on the double... Saw one of those birds at LAX at it was very loud, much louder than the AA and Delta 763's. If anyone knows why I'd appreciate a PM, very curious...)

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Post #26754, posted on 04-01-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Hi Guys

I've heard it is just a Re pop of the Revell kit.




Can anyone else confirm this?!! I am actually happy to hear that for various reasons.




Well I heard to the contrary. It is supposed to be a complete new tooling by Zvezda. I'm hoping it is, I don't like those Revell 767 engines ugh!

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long now and we can all find out!

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Post #26814, posted on 04-09-2009 GMT-5 hours    
TOMORROW!!!! (April 10th) in Moscow shops






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Post #26815, posted on 04-09-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Any larger photos available?

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Post #26816, posted on 04-09-2009 GMT-5 hours    
It is *not* in any way, shape, form, or fashion related to the Revell kit. This is a 100% new tool from Zvezda. And it has actual 767 engines, unlike the Revell kit's, which are fictional.

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Post #26817, posted on 04-09-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you soo much Eugene for the pics! Its lovely!
Jennings, any word on when it might hit the US market (AHS)?

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Post #26818, posted on 04-09-2009 GMT-5 hours    
While the overall profile looks good... are the wings actually as devoid of detail (ie control surfaces) as they appear to be in the photos posted?

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Post #26819, posted on 04-10-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Jennings, any word on when it might hit the US market (AHS)?



Absolutely none. My posting was just my observation. If you've seen the Revell kit and you've seen the pics of the Zvezda kit, it's clear there is zero relationship.

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Post #26822, posted on 04-10-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Thank you soo much Eugene for the pics! Its lovely!
Jennings, any word on when it might hit the US market (AHS)?



Scroll-up as I mentioned above it is expected for late April at AHS (original statement of AHS).

Sven


P.S: At first I had NO intention to buy the ZVEZDA Boeing 767-300. But now I've seen the sprue-shots from Kengooroo I've changed my mind! It looks great and I want one example at least!

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Post #26835, posted on 04-11-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Granular question. Do you think the wheels have an axle like the Revell kit so the wheels can actually roll like the real mccoy? This is one of the few attributes of the Revell kit.

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Post #26867, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Few more photos from the first owners. Kit price in Moscow is about 14USD






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Post #26868, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Few more photos from the first owners.


Is the "accuracy" of the nose section really on about the same level as that of the Minicraft L-188 Electra? (as it appears to be in the photo) ...or is it foreshortened in the photo, perhaps by the zoom setting on the camera with which the photo was taken? Or perhaps the shadows distort the appearance of the nose section?

As good as the rest of the kit looks, it is difficult to imagine that Zvezda could have "blown it" on the nose section as badly as the photo suggests.

Good to see that the wings have nicely scribed representations of flight control surfaces that seemed to be lacking in the earlier photos posted.

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Post #26869, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
yes, the cockpit section looks strange...but i dont think it would take too long for some detailed photos!
btw. its a dreamliner scheme, nice

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Post #26870, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Kudos to Zvezda! It looks FANTASTIC!!!. You have to hand it to Zvezda, they have delivered 3 great airliners in 3 years. My only wish is they pick up the IL-62, and TU-144.

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Post #26871, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Nice to see the new housecolors! or is it only displayed on the box?

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Post #26872, posted on 04-16-2009 GMT-5 hours    
The house-colors are included as decals.

The landing gear seems to be well detailed.
Believe the cockpit section looks a bit strange due to the shadows on the sprues pics.
See the pics of the built model on top for comparison - the nose section seems to be full okay.
But to form an absolute opinion we have to wait a little bit...

Sven

P.S.: Buy-A-Model announced the kit for 15,75 .

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Post #26878, posted on 04-17-2009 GMT-5 hours    
I got it!

I compare both (Revell vs Zvezda) kits side-by-side. Fuselages' shape and size are generally same, exept nose gear bay opening (Zvezda has closed main nose doors, however those doors' contour even not engraved), wing roots and stabilizer roots (and lack of antennas on Zvezda). Both have same 'pure rectangle' windows, but Zvezda has clear parts for them and corners can be rounded by proper decal w/o filling and sanding. Wings: Revell has more articulated flaps and slats, but Zvezda's advantage - both lower wings as single part. Engines: Zvezda's nacelles (with intake ring) are 3 mm longer than Revell's ones, and fan spinner greatly smaller. Gears: brakes are separate parts, firstly wheels are mounted on brakes' pins, than this assembly is mounted on leg's pins. Generally looks accurate.

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Post #26882, posted on 04-17-2009 GMT-5 hours    
take some pictures please!

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Post #26886, posted on 04-18-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Yes, whoever can, please take some detailed photos and upload to the database. I'd love to see more shots.

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Post #26904, posted on 04-20-2009 GMT-5 hours    
I just uploaded instruction sheet to database.
Also I uploaded side-by-side Revell/Zvezda fuselage comparation fotos to my Gallery.

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Post #26916, posted on 04-21-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Overall it looks good, but what do you think about the noseshape? I mean that the revells is better.
But the rest of the kit is as expected good and looks a bit better than the Revell 767! Hope there will be a etched parts set for Antennas etc.

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Post #26919, posted on 04-22-2009 GMT-5 hours    
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Overall it looks good, but what do you think about the noseshape? I mean that the revells is better.
But the rest of the kit is as expected good and looks a bit better than the Revell 767! Hope there will be a etched parts set for Antennas etc.

Marcel



Marcel, I have a generic etch set that would probably get you going on this kit and others. I could even do fan blades for it as well, but it will be awhile before I have the kit to get the size just right for the fans. Have a look in in the photo etch parts section at my antennae and pitot sheet that I make.

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Post #26924, posted on 04-23-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Personally, the Zvezda nose looks better than the Revell. The Revell is too rounded in profile and the Zvesda corrects that.

Plus, we have the correct fin height and fincap shape, the right tailcone length and shape, the right amount of "dimpling" around the tailplane, the right window pattern for most operators and the right slant to the main gear legs. Not to mention the right engines (though alternative sets would be needed for half the operators...) Can't wait for mine -- I have five on order!

Thank you very much for the photos!

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Post #26928, posted on 04-23-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Not sure about the nose shape, but not having that cavern to fill in where the stabilizers mount is a definite plus for Zvezda.

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Post #26978, posted on 04-27-2009 GMT-5 hours    
is there any way that we can get some high quality pictures of this model in the database?


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Post #26988, posted on 04-28-2009 GMT-5 hours    
I'll upload photos to the database when I get one!

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Post #27089, posted on 05-05-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Guys,

I got mine in today, and from the first looks, it is a very nice kit. There is definitely a difference in the nose from the Revell kit. And this time, they must have hired a toolmaker who can do fan blades!

Here are some closeup scans, not the best quality, but OK nevertheless. Juha, feel free to use these if they are of acceptable quality.

http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_base.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_clear_parts.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_fuselage_inside.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_fuselage_outside.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_main_parts_1.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_main_parts_2.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_wings_1.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_wings_2.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_decals.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_guide_1.jpg
http://www.skunk-labworks.com/temp/z767_guide_2.jpg

Here's a profile of the nose:


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Post #27092, posted on 05-05-2009 GMT-5 hours    
great pictures! Thanks.


The links for the wing pictures don't work.


But I love the seamless engine intake and they even got the shape of the fan-blades right!


I am very excited about this kit.





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Post #27094, posted on 05-05-2009 GMT-5 hours    
Anyone know of a detail sheet with windows etc and an American Airlines decal for this baby??
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Post #27095, posted on 05-05-2009 GMT-5 hours    
American decals will be hard to find. ATP did a sheet years ago. Avigraphics has a detail set available for the 767, find it at your favorite online source

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