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Post #60852, posted on 12-22-2015 GMT-5 hours    
Ok Jeff, in that case my bet is on the 1154 boxing to be wrong.

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Post #60858, posted on 12-23-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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Ok Jeff, in that case my bet is on the 1154 boxing to be wrong.



Hi Kurt,

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you are exactly right. But, it IS a neat livery and I'll live with it! With only two operators, there's no need for aftermarket decal makers to take notice, unless Roden goofs on the decals, of course.

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Post #60860, posted on 12-23-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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Ok Jeff, in that case my bet is on the 1154 boxing to be wrong.



Hi Kurt,

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you are exactly right. But, it IS a neat livery and I'll live with it! With only two operators, there's no need for aftermarket decal makers to take notice, unless Roden goofs on the decals, of course.

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Post #60862, posted on 12-23-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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Ok Jeff, in that case my bet is on the 1154 boxing to be wrong.



Hi Kurt,

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you are exactly right. But, it IS a neat livery and I'll live with it! With only two operators, there's no need for aftermarket decal makers to take notice, unless Roden goofs on the decals, of course.

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Well, rescribing the door shouldn't be too hard, it's like doing a 707-320B to 320C. Also, Kurt is user gavmh.

Cheers, Merlin

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Well, rescribing the door shouldn't be too hard, it's like doing a 707-320B to 320C. Also, Kurt is user gavmh.



Right you are, and..... OOPS! Sorry, my mistake!

Also, regarding the aftermarket decal option, East African had the 5 aircraft registered in 3 countries (Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania) so there are different flag layouts as well as registrations, so that option is covered by the 26 decal.

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Post #60867, posted on 12-24-2015 GMT-5 hours    
So when it is available, i will order one in BOAC. I have a welsh EAA , the one with resin wings and will compare to the Roden, espacially the wings and the engines. Then I may built a mix of Roden (fuselage, wheels ?) and welsh (wings and engines).

so lets see.

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Post #60869, posted on 12-24-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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So when it is available, i will order one in BOAC. I have a welsh EAA , the one with resin wings and will compare to the Roden, espacially the wings and the engines. Then I may built a mix of Roden (fuselage, wheels ?) and welsh (wings and engines).

so lets see.



Let us know how that goes for sure! I think I'll just do Roden BOAC as an OOB build, unless anything looks way off, but again, I'm no expert.

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Post #60889, posted on 12-26-2015 GMT-5 hours    
Any info when it is going to be released?

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Post #61110, posted on 01-07-2016 GMT-5 hours    
is it out now ?
Roden VC10
clic on "news"

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Post #61111, posted on 01-07-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Not yet as per modellbau-universe.de.

I hope it will be an accurate model.

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Post #61183, posted on 01-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
someone must have it VC-10

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Post #61368, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
who is "modelsua" ? seems to be available there VC10

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Post #61369, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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who is "modelsua" ? seems to be available there VC10



They are based in Ukraine. i've never used them but others say their service is good.

FWIW the East African Super VC-10 is still listed as a future release by Hannants in the UK

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Post #61370, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Modelsua is an ukrainian online shop.
Have already ordered there several times.
Shipment needs a little time.

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Post #61371, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Yes,

have bought from Modelsua too.

Kits arrive very safe from Ukraine to Brazil.

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Post #61374, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I've purchased plenty from ModelsUA and I've had great service from them. I've got my VC-10's ordered!

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Post #61376, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
merde, last BOAC from ModelsUA is gone. Have to wait for the next one.
oops, the last one was mine in the cart. there where 1 BOAC and 6 African available, but when put in the cart, it is said "preordered". So maybe take a while until i receive it.(but why then only 1 available ?)

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Post #61378, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
No problem. I'm sure it will be available here in Germany soon (Modellbau Universe).

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Post #61380, posted on 01-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I had purchased 2 x Super Vc-10 kits from ModelsUA in mid December.
The customer service had wrote me an email few days ago saying the kit will be available on February 10th.

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Post #61545, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
now also available on ebay
VC-10

so should mine arrive from ModelsUA immediately

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Post #61581, posted on 02-05-2016 GMT-5 hours    
So the kit has been for sale for several days, and nowhere (that I can find) on the entire internet is there even a single photograph of the contents of the box... Anyone else find that bizarre beyond words?

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Post #61584, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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So the kit has been for sale for several days, and nowhere (that I can find) on the entire internet is there even a single photograph of the contents of the box... Anyone else find that bizarre beyond words?



yes, it is bizzare. luckily, we can get a rough scope of how the sprues look like. these have already been posted, I'm just summing them up on one place now...

sprues, instructions sheet and screen shot of the decal files
http://www.frogmodelaircraft.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=317

sprues & attempt at building a sample/test copy
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234995138-vickers-vc10-1144-roden/


screen shot of a decal
http://www.roden.eu/HTML/313.htm


can't wait myself for this kit to fiiinnnnaaaaly get to me - I have ordered 2 kits and ModelsUA had informed me that they should be available by Feb the 10th... so...

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Post #61587, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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So the kit has been for sale for several days, and nowhere (that I can find) on the entire internet is there even a single photograph of the contents of the box... Anyone else find that bizarre beyond words?



It's called "quality marketing"......

Because LORAL keeps telling me Im worth it..........

Or maybe its MAYBELLINE...............

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So the kit has been for sale for several days, and nowhere (that I can find) on the entire internet is there even a single photograph of the contents of the box... Anyone else find that bizarre beyond words?



NOT ME

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Post #61605, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I sure hope somebody with an Alps printer and some of the old reflective gold foil will do some proper BOAC markings!

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Post #61775, posted on 02-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Everybody is talking about only two liveries for the Super VC-10 : BOAC and EAST AFRICAN.

And about the BRITISH AIRWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????

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Post #61777, posted on 02-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
You should ask Roden about that, Luiz...
On the other hand: why bother, while 26Decals has excellent after market decals you are looking for...

Kind regards,
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I am one of the three 'crew members' of IPMS The Netherlands 'SIG Airliners & Civil Aviation'.

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Post #61790, posted on 02-17-2016 GMT-5 hours    
i will also use the East African decals from Welsh and not the original Roden

Ralf

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Post #61796, posted on 02-17-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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You should ask Roden about that, Luiz...
On the other hand: why bother, while 26Decals has excellent after market decals you are looking for...

Kind regards,
Louis.




That's it !!!

Saving coins for SUPER VC-10, BOAC and BRITISH AIRWAYS.

Hope Roden will release the "NORMAL" VC-10 next year.

Luiz Claudio

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Post #62000, posted on 03-03-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Got both VC10 kits now in my hands.


Well... first impressions:
- looks like short run/ grease residue on plastic parts, no attach points on Fuselage parts
- clear cokcpit part looks very nice, but its not a 100% clear. Future or clear coat should solve that.
- Decals are nice, but as usually stencils missing. Quality looks really good.
- very nice panel lines
- nicely detailed engines (correct angle of stator blades)
- unnecessary wheel halfes, but very detailed though
- very sharp wing trailing edges, panel lines a little bit oversized, but still not otaki like.
- sprues for tanker version allready included
- very fine stabelizer trailing edge
- antennas and pitots too fat
- some flash especially on cabin windows

overall it looks very nice to me.
I didnt expect some zvezda quality here, but i think its better than revells E195.

Cant say anything about proportions and if its like the real thing and so on... but to me it definetly looks like a VC10 , and much better than the airfix kit.

best regards#

EDIT: FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!!! --- WINDOW MASKINGS INLCUDED!!!!---

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Post #62030, posted on 03-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Greetings!

Surprisingly, my LHS already has it in stock (even though HobbyTerra still shows them as coming soon, and they are in The Ukraine). I don't know when he got them as I have been out of town for the last week.

Flaptrack summed it up nicely, although I'll add just a few things... The 1154 of EAA is shown to not have a cargo convertible capability (no main deck door), and while the engine attachment pylons have some angle (sort of like dihedral?) to them, they may not be quite angled enough, but at least they're not flat like the Airfix are. It appears to me that the EAA cheatline is too orange where it should be yellow, so the aftermarket decals will be needed, and as Jennings said earlier, the BOAC gold is not right on the 1151 and needs to be like a gold foil. On the real one, you could have flossed your teeth in the reflection! And, there are no fences to fit on the outer wing leading edges, of which there should be two on each wing. You could make them from plastic card. Look at photos for placement. The Super had four thrust reversers in the beginning, but then had the ones on engines 2 and 3 deleted, just as the kit is configured.

All in all, I like the kit a lot. You'll just need some aftermarket decals (afterall).

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Post #62051, posted on 03-07-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Greetings!

One other thing I remember reading several years ago was that the East African 1154 Supers had some small differences in the engine exhaust area from the BOAC 1151 airplanes (more pointed beavertail fairing and shorter pylon trailing edge?), but as I recall, it was not a significant difference visually, although it did reduce drag slightly. The VC10 (all models) had a significant drag problem with the engine mounting and much test work was required to overcome it, and it was never completely overcome. Also, the Supers had reversers on all 4 engines, but after a few years the inboard ones were removed because of a buffeting issue on the tail assembly which it was feared would lead to premature structural problems with metal fatigue. This brings to mind the Boeing 727 which shook like hell when it was in heavy reverse thrust, so much so that I thought it could suffer from metal fatigue as well, but it never did AFAIK. You could clearly see the tail shake from several hundred yards away.

As soon as you get them in your hands, how about some observations on this kit? To me, it looks pretty good!

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Post #62065, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Would like to see some `3D' windows for this as per Authentic Airliners. Especially for the BOAC where decal windows either blend into the dark cheatline too much, or look too blandy grey.

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Post #62075, posted on 03-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Greetings!

You'll all be finding this kit soon enough, so here is a little info on the accuracy confirmation and research data sources.

First, there are two fairly expensive and possibly out of print books, these being "Silent Swift Superb: The Story Of The Vickers VC10" by Scott Henderson, and "Vickers VC10" by Lance Cole in the Crowood Aviation Series. This last one is probably the better of the two. And then there's a website called "A Little VC10derness" which has lots of free info and photos as well as remembrances from crews and people involved in the design and construction of the VC10. Our own Peter Skipp wrote a comparison article comparing the VC10 design with the Il-62 on this website (History Section, at the bottom), and it's well worth bookmarking and adding to your favorites.

One interesting thing I noticed on the website under the Technical Section (and then click on Wing Design) was the information on drag problems. Although the wing itself was quite problematic and the varying solutions caused the bevy of wing configurations, the engine installation and its drag problems was covered in this section as well. In an earlier post I mentioned the beavertail fairing and some variances in it on the Super VC10, and this afternoon I finally found the information again on the website. The beavertail fairing between the exhausts was fitted to all production VC10 airframes to partially solve the drag issue found in flight testing, but apparently it was further refined and extended a little further rearward with a conical point to it on all of the East African Supers, and on SOME (but not all) BOAC Supers. The Roden kit has this type of exhaust. Along with the conical extension, the rear of the pylon (stub wing) is cut off a few inches further forward and fitted with a flattened trailing edge (no knife edge). There are photos that show both configurations on the website, and on page 148 of the Cole book is a photo of just the conical fairing and flattened trailing edge of the stub wing. If you want to know which to fit on a BOAC machine, you'll just have to see photos of the specific airplane you are doing to know, and I can confirm that G-ASGI, the subject of the Roden kit, has the conical fairing as depicted in the kit, and it appears that the conical fairings started with G-ASGG, those before that having the beavertail, but.... I have seen photos of G-ASGA (prototype 1151 Super) with the beavertail fairing in BOAC colors, and later in British Airways colors with the conical pointed fairing! All it would take to have the Roden exhaust piece look right for an early Super is to sand off the conical tip to a beavertail.

I hope this helps in your quest for an accurate model.........

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Post #62079, posted on 03-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Indeed Jeff. I wish EVERYONE would read the comparison between the VC10 and the Il-62. Hearing ill-informed people claim the Il-62 was a copy of the VC10 is so tiring.

The Scott Henderson VC10 book is quite good, but I agree - the Crowood book is excellent.

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Post #62090, posted on 03-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Indeed Jeff. I wish EVERYONE would read the comparison between the VC10 and the Il-62. Hearing ill-informed people claim the Il-62 was a copy of the VC10 is so tiring.

The Scott Henderson VC10 book is quite good, but I agree - the Crowood book is excellent.



Yes, ill-informed people are a loathsome prospect......

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Post #62200, posted on 03-17-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Got my first BOAC from ebay today. The next from "modelsua" should arrive after long waiting in the next days.
As I have a welsh super vc-10 East african with resin wings, engines and vacform body, I will built one as a mix. For this one I will use the body from roden and mainly the rest from welsh, incl. decals. So lets see what looks better

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Post #62515, posted on 04-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
My BOAC VC10 arrived the other day and it's now my new favourite injection moulded kit. I just love it!
Certainly is a massive improvement on the Airfix standard and Frog super. It's only real downfall, for me, are the decals no surprise there!
I will be getting more for sure, for my BA and EAA decals, but also to convert to standards. The only major difficulty I can see is removing the leading edge extension but that's not impossible.

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Post #62523, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Admittedly this is a complete nit pick but I got a chuckle reading it. The box side panel states that the VC10 still holds the record for the fastest London to New York crossing of the Atlantic, of 5 hours and 1 minute......

Guess Roden hasn't released a Concorde kit

A quick internet search found that a typical London to New York Concorde flight would take a little less than 3 and one half hours.

The record Atlantic crossing flight was a New York to London leg on 7 February 1996 that took 2 hours, 52 minutes, 59 seconds.

And since the side panel doesn't specify airliners only the SR-71 Blackbird might as well be mentioned.....

The flight record is 1 hr 54 mins 56.4 secs by USAF Major James V. Sullivan, and Major Noel F. Widdifield, flying a Lockheed SR-71A Blackbird eastwards on 1 September 1974.


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Post #62524, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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My BOAC VC10 arrived the other day and it's now my new favourite injection moulded kit. I just love it!
Certainly is a massive improvement on the Airfix standard and Frog super. It's only real downfall, for me, are the decals no surprise there!
I will be getting more for sure, for my BA and EAA decals, but also to convert to standards. The only major difficulty I can see is removing the leading edge extension but that's not impossible.

Cheers,

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Does it have the correct engine pylons?

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Post #62539, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Dave,

They are angled correctly unlike the Airfix kit. The extensions are not there so some scratch building would be necessary.
Of course, this means they are correct for a standard though!

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Post #62541, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks Ian, that's very helpful

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Post #62544, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I recommend you get one Dave, I think you'll be very impressed!

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Post #62841, posted on 04-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Greetings!

Apparently the RAF Super VC10 K3 Tanker Type 1164 version is already out in some places and soon will be in the rest. Roden was quick on this one.

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