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      Post #62103, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Any news when the "Revezda" 777 is going to be released? I read something in March 2016, but still there is nothing announced on their website. Perhaps there is some delay?

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      Post #62120, posted on 03-12-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'd be surprised if it were this month. They wanted me to do the decal (which I was unable to do for them in the allotted time) in December.

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      Post #62121, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Are they only offering the Boeing colours in this release?

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      Post #62122, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The decal will be released by DACO, and it will be the other demonstrator scheme.

      http://www.dacoproducts.com/

      So i think its worth the wait to get the Revell box and see Danys artwork.

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      Post #62123, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The only reason I didn't buy the Zvezda kit and waited for Revell was the decal. My hope was they do an airline scheme, as I don't want to build a demonstrator. Too bad the license fees are high and we only get one demonstrator after another. So we have to use aftermarked decals. Are there any KLM decals available for the 777 in the newest colors with the wavy cheatline?

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      Post #62124, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Will they really release the current Boeing House Color of her 777-300ER?! I think it's a little bit embarrassing that a big company like Revell, is not able to release a Kit with an airliner Livery and brings out a fictional livery who was never painted on that airplane.

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      Post #62125, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Will they really release the current Boeing House Color of her 777-300ER?! I think it's a little bit embarrassing that a big company like Revell, is not able to release a Kit with an airliner Livery and brings out a fictional livery who was never painted on that airplane.

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      In over 20 years of building airliners I think I've used the kit decals twice - the Revell Flybe ARJ-85 and Haribo Gold B738. Personally I'm just glad to have the kit and I'll make my own choice of after-market decals whatever livery is in the box.

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      Post #62128, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm with Dave. It's rare that I'll use a kit decal for anything other than details. I know when I get a Zvezda kit that even details will be missing. So I willingly buy the kit intending to use A/M decals. Revell, OTOH, usually has excellent decals in the box, regardless if you'll be using all, part, or none.

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      Post #62129, posted on 03-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Any decision on a kit decal is a no-win. Some folks will like the livery included on the sheet; others will be disappointed. Many won't use the sheet for anything but detail stuff and will instead find an aftermarket sheet for what they want anyway. There's no need to complicate things, add another licensing fee and drive the kit's cost up with an airline decal, when instead you can work everything out with the manufacturer and just include house colors as part of the kit licensing process anyway.

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      Post #62134, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I just found on the modellbau-universe.de page that the Revell 777 is expected for May 2016.
      Not sure, however, how reliable that information is:

      http://www.modellbau-universe.de/produkt;boeing-777-300er-revell;re~04945;11;1;1;1.htm

      for a price of 21.45 Euro

      I fully agree on the decal discussion, the Revell decal stencils are great to use but I will select the airline
      of choice from the many great aftermarket decal choices.

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      Post #62135, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      It would be good if the model companies offered their kits with the option of full airline colour scheme decals (licencing fee permitting) or just basic stencilling decals (or none at all) for a couple of Ģ/€/$ cheaper so that we're not faced with having extra sheets wordering what to do with them. I've got quite a few Haribo Gold sheets and don't like throwing them out, they're just too good for that.
      Just a thought...didn't Hasegawa do that some years ago?

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      Post #62136, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Btw,


      if you click on "Bildergalerie" which is "image gallery" you will find a few images of the built model and the sprues.

      http://www.modellbau-universe.de/produkt;boeing-777-300er-revell;re~04945;11;1;1;1.htm --> Bildergalerie

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      Post #62137, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Maybe the reference to the fictional Boeing house colours is just to throw us off the scent, while they finalise an airline scheme? I had my money on it being the Swiss 'faces' jet. That would be appropriate as a subsidiary of Lufthansa.

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      Post #62138, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Maybe the reference to the fictional Boeing house colours is just to throw us off the scent



      What would be the point of that? I think you're WAAAAAAAAY over-thinking it.

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      Post #62139, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Maybe the reference to the fictional Boeing house colours is just to throw us off the scent



      What would be the point of that? I think you're WAAAAAAAAY over-thinking it.



      Maybe it's possible to see an airline livery as the 2nd reissue, somewhere along the lines of 2019/20...

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      Post #62140, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Maybe the reference to the fictional Boeing house colours is just to throw us off the scent



      What would be the point of that? I think you're WAAAAAAAAY over-thinking it.



      Haha, i nearly added 'or maybe i'm just overthinking it'. Wishful thinking, really.

      There also doesn't seem much point in including a fictional livery. As far as I'm aware, the -300 never wore the one shown.

      Was that the one they asked you to do, or didn't negotiations get that far?

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      Post #62141, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      They never said what livery, except that they weren't doing KLM because of licensing costs.

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      Post #62142, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      It should be a great advertisement for the airlines. I don't get it, why they want money for it instead of rather paying for it like for any other advertising or at least allow it for free.

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      Post #62147, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      It should be a great advertisement for the airlines. I don't get it, why they want money for it instead of rather paying for it like for any other advertising or at least allow it for free.



      Corporate trademarks are considered property with value, not to mention corporations (understandably) want control over how those trademarks, corporate logos, etc., are used. Licensing fees help keep the (permitted) use of company trademarks under some kind of control, plus it's an additional revenue stream, which is especially important under modern business philosophies. The same is true for aircraft manufacturers and just about every other type of anything represented in miniature any more. There's a lot of officially licensed toys and such out there with airline logos on them (think the playsets you see in airport gift shops), but most are produced by companies that can spread out those kinds of costs across a broad line of products. Model manufacturers generally don't have that broad a portfolio, so costs become more dear, and airliner enthusiasts are kind of a niche group anyway.

      As enthusiasts, we see it one way; the folks in the corporate suites see it another. Those trademarks are their property, and since they are private property, they have the right to regulate their use as they wish. We as enthusiasts may think it's unfair, but these are different times and the handshake deals of yesteryear have gone the way of the passenger pigeon.

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      Post #62167, posted on 03-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Hallo Christian,

      I have seen the kit recently in real for the first time.
      The nose section still looked a bit odd to me.
      When clicking your link somewhat up in this topic, I know why. I noticed that the nose gear doors are a bit overdone and too much angled outwards, while they should be exactly vertical. Also, the kit has another "kink" short behind the cockpit area, while the real aircraft has an even curvature up to the main "kink".
      I put the word kink into quotation mark as I donīt know how to describe it in a better way. My apologies for my critical eyes.

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      Post #62170, posted on 03-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Kurt, I think the Revell kit is the Zvezda mold? Does that mean the Zvezda isn't as good as we thought or is the Revell different from the Zvezda mold?

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      Post #62188, posted on 03-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      @Kurt, @ Christian:
      This image taken from
      http://www.modellbau-universe.de/produkt;boeing-777-300er-revell;re~04945;11;1;1;1.htm
      seems to show that the sprues are white, which means that they are really the ones from Revell already.

      It seems to me they are identical to the Zvezda mold, aren't they?



      It wouldn't' surprise me if Kurt found mistakes in the 777 shape though I hoped so much it would finally
      be the first correct 777 after all these years ...

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      Post #62190, posted on 03-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Hmmm I'll continue building my first Zvezda 777 with out any corrections. Interesting to hear Kurt's observations

      If there were a correction set from AA I would sign up for a couple.😎👍

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      Post #62195, posted on 03-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm not seeing this second 'kink' on my kit.

      I've seen (but now cannot find it) a picture where someone had laid a kit fuselage over a side-on photo and the shape was pretty much spot on.

      Edit: the picture I was thinking of is in this thread. Not overlaid but a good comparison.
      http://airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=9670